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Old 03-06-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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Trudeau isn’t facing an election until around October 2019 (he probably won’t announce the precise date until 3 or 4 months before).
The ones that Lighthizer (USTR) cited for Canada in yesterday's press release about the NAFTA breakdown are those in Ontario and Quebec "later this year." Sounds like he's talking about regional elections?

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Trudeau isn’t facing an election until around October 2019 (he probably won’t announce the precise date until 3 or 4 months before).

Free trade has bipartisan support in Canada. All political parties were consulted privately in the lead up to the start of the renegotiation talks last year. Conservative politicians are still involved, including making lobbying trips to the U.S. in an effort to help.

Both the original free tree trade agreement between the U.S. and Canada and the subsequent NAFTA agreement were negotiated when a Conservative Prime Minister, Brian Mulroney, was in office. Mulroney has actively been helping the Liberal government as much as he can with the NAFTA renegotions, lending his support, advice and expertise to the government.

Occasionally a politician will criticize but quickly goes quiet, at least publicly. It’s in the best interests of Canada to provide a united front to the U.S. and not show any cracks which can be exploited.

I know that’s an alien concept to Americans - politicians putting politics aside for the sake of their country.
How very functional. But then we started out this way a couple of hundred years back - well, at least the discord part.

 
Old 03-06-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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The ones that Lighthizer (USTR) cited for Canada in yesterday's press release about the NAFTA breakdown are those in Ontario and Quebec "later this year." Sounds like he's talking about regional elections?
Those are provincial elections affecting provincial politicians only. The federal government is in charge of trade talks and sets trade policy.

The general election in 2019 affects ALL federal politicians. The party which gains the most Members of Parliament forms the government.
 
Old 03-06-2018, 11:55 AM
 
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Those are provincial elections affecting provincial politicians only. The federal government is in charge of trade talks and sets trade policy.

The general election in 2019 affects ALL federal politicians. The party which gains the most Members of Parliament forms the government.
This is the full quote (link in a post above) from Trump's USTR representative - official press release and so not a carelessly worded interview.

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Now our time is running very short. On July 1, as everyone here knows, Mexico will choose a new president. That campaign as I understand it begins in earnest just next month. But Mexico is not the only NAFTA country in the midst of elections. Both Ontario and Quebec have elections scheduled later this year. Finally, the United States has mid-term elections coming up in November. All of this complicates our work. I fear that the longer we proceed, the more political headwinds we will feel.
Not sure of the implications, the intent of his words???
 
Old 03-06-2018, 12:13 PM
 
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This is the full quote (link in a post above) from Trump's USTR representative - official press release and so not a carelessly worded interview.

Not sure of the implications, the intent of his words???
This is what Lighthizer brazenly had to say at the end of the last round of NAFTA trade negotiations a month ago, with knowledgeable Canadians, including our Foreign Minister (in charge of our negotiations), in the room:

http://www.city-data.com/forum/51202966-post464.html

I suggest you take what Lighthizer has to say with a grain of salt.
 
Old 03-06-2018, 05:25 PM
 
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That business of him using the claimed "security risk" excuse then admitting in phone discussion with Trudeau he wants NAFTA wound up quickly to the U.S.'s benefit of not having to submit to third party arbitration but merely U.S. Commerce Dept. resolution of all disputes is proof he's a just a lying sack of cheesies.

We're buying more chit from them than they're buying from us so who's going to lose more jobs in the final analysis of any "trade war".

It's starting to become obvious he has no qualms about using bully tactics. Combine bullying with stupidity and you've got yourself a mess of the first order.
Trump repeatedly makes false statements and uses propaganda to manipulate his country, yet no one who lives in the USA seems to care enough to stop it. I'm at a loss to understand why people in the USA tolerate a lying president. Are they so scared of their future that they hope his lies will protect them? Is dishonesty a social value in the USA? Are people too dumb to understand the difference between true and false?

It's almost as though the rest of the world is using the wrong English. The rest of the world says "surplus", people in the USA hear "deficit". Even Trump's arithmetic is ludicrous: there's a $71B trade deficit, and in the same sentence there's an $88B trade deficit.

This is Trump:

“Last year, we lost approximately $71 billion in trade deficit; we have a trade deficit with Mexico of $71 billion. With Canada, it was about $17 billion.”

This is Truth:

" ... numbers provided by Statistics Canada, and the Office of the United States Trade Representative – both say the U.S. has a trade surplus with Canada, to the amount of US$12 billion."

What's wrong with people in the USA? More importantly, how long will it take to restore reputation after Trump is gone?
 
Old 03-06-2018, 05:27 PM
 
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Trump repeatedly makes false statements and uses propaganda to manipulate his country, yet no one who lives in the USA seems to care enough to stop it. I'm at a loss to understand why people in the USA tolerate a lying president. Are they so scared of their future that they hope his lies will protect them? Is dishonesty a social value in the USA? Are people too dumb to understand the difference between true and false?

It's almost as though the rest of the world is using the wrong English. The rest of the world says "surplus", people in the USA hear "deficit". Even Trump's arithmetic is ludicrous: there's a $71B trade deficit, and in the same sentence there's an $88B trade deficit.

This is Trump:

“Last year, we lost approximately $71 billion in trade deficit; we have a trade deficit with Mexico of $71 billion. With Canada, it was about $17 billion.”

This is Truth:

" ... numbers provided by Statistics Canada, and the Office of the United States Trade Representative – both say the U.S. has a trade surplus with Canada, to the amount of US$12 billion."

What's wrong with people in the USA? More importantly, how long will it take to restore reputation after Trump is gone?
Trumps base lives in the world of alternative facts.
 
Old 03-06-2018, 05:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by EveryLady View Post
This is the full quote (link in a post above) from Trump's USTR representative - official press release and so not a carelessly worded interview.

Not sure of the implications, the intent of his words???
Provincial elections don't matter. I did not say that the federal government is having an election in the near future, rather I said that if Trudeau's government fails to protect Canadian interests, jobs, resources, and country, his government will not be re-elected. That is, Canadians will not forget a NAFTA failure when there is an election in a couple of years. Trudeau's government has to succeed and protect Canadians, or his days are numbered and he knows that better than anyone. If he succeeds, he stands a strong chance of a re-election and there's no doubt that he wants this.
 
Old 03-06-2018, 05:42 PM
 
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Trumps base lives in the world of alternative facts.
What about the rest of the population? Doesn't his dishonesty shock people to the core? He represents the average person on the street, and is presumably a reflection/embodiment of their values, beliefs, and abilities. How can the rest of the world not assume that people in the USA are dishonest, silly, illogical bullies who care about no one and nothing beyond personal gain?

Trump has now said that if NAFTA talks result in an agreement, he'll withdraw the tariff threats. This also makes no sense because he is the one who loudly claimed that he wanted to trash NAFTA, now he says that his threat is intended to ensure that there is a NAFTA agreement.
 
Old 03-06-2018, 05:43 PM
 
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President Trump knows exactly what he is doing!
 
Old 03-06-2018, 05:59 PM
 
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President Trump knows exactly what he is doing!
Sure he does. He's threatening other countries with tariffs if they don't concede to his NAFTA demands. We'll have to wait to see whether that international negotiating style works.
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