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Old 03-04-2018, 08:03 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What are you talking about? I don't believe in Social darwinism like you and just watching capitalism's losers starving to death in the streets and saying it's their own fault
Evolution is evolution. It's all or nothing. You don't get to pick and choose without screwing things up, a result we see in many ways every single day, not the least of which is the fact that currently 48% of all US births/year are to Medicaid mothers. Who thinks supporting all those welfare-dependent mothers and kids for 18 years or more won't become increasingly unsustainable? /SMH
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Old 03-04-2018, 08:09 PM
 
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What are you talking about? I don't believe in Social darwinism like you and just watching capitalism's losers starving to death in the streets and saying it's their own fault
You mean you don't want to live in Calcutta where orphan panhandlers get their eyes put out by hustlers to get extra pity money? You socialist!! 😁
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Old 03-04-2018, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Evolution is evolution. It's all or nothing. You don't get to pick and choose without screwing things up, a result we see in many ways every single day, not the least of which is the fact that currently 48% of all US births/year are to Medicaid mothers. Who thinks supporting all those welfare-dependent mothers and kids for 18 years or more won't become increasingly unsustainable? /SMH
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Old 03-04-2018, 08:41 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You mean you don't want to live in Calcutta where orphan panhandlers get their eyes put out by hustlers to get extra pity money? You socialist!!
Have you somehow failed to notice that the standard of living has been declining for the US lower-middle class and poor for decades? Know why? Same problem as Calcutta: Over-reproduction and therefore a population glut among those with the least incomes.
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Old 03-04-2018, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Boston
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IRS has been doing this for decades
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Old 03-04-2018, 09:29 PM
 
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Why charge Whites more than Blacks for the same food? My comment directly addresses the point.
This is an absolutely disingenuous response to my question concerning your polarizing use of the term "whitey".

You used this racially charged term as you chose to denigrate the African-American community by implying that they are too promiscuous and have a low social stsndard of morality. This is clarified when you made reference to their having 72% of their children born outside of wedlock.

Since in our society, bearing children outside the bonds of holy matrimony is frowned upon, and marriage is regarded with higher social esteem, your statement using the term, "whitey" can only be interpreted as unnecessarily inflammatory and derogatory.

Your use of the term "whitey" assumes that African-Americans would have some form of adversarial and accusatory attitude towards whites concerning their perception that a relatively high number of black children are conceived outside of marriage.

While there most probably exists more evidence that points to facts that would confirm white people as major contributors to familial instability within the black community than not, most certainly blacks share at least a portion of that responsibility, themselves.

Furthermore, your use of the term announces your predisposition concerning African-Americans prior to any discussion or dialogue concerning the matter. In short, it clearly displayed your "Ace of Spades" prior to the first card being played...

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Old 03-04-2018, 09:55 PM
 
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As I recall, blacks were forced to split up marriages and families when they received welfare. The father had to leave so the woman could get benefits. Big Government destroyed black families.
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Old 03-04-2018, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It's also like how business now have commercials with few whites or no whites, and they now play constant soul music in their stores despite their customer base being mostly older whites. There's no limit they won't stoop to promote imposition and scapegoating of whites. They are priming us to accept overpopulated diverse America economic zone of only rich and poor while they laugh on their way to the bank.
So do you speak for older whites and their musical tastes?
I happen to know a lot of them who like soul / R&B music.

Also why are you complaining that businesses now have commercials with few whites or no whites?
Minorities are rapidly becoming the majority in this country and businesses follow the money trail.
They only care about one color:

$$$$$!
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Old 03-04-2018, 10:44 PM
 
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While I do understand your frustration, you do seem to miss a very significant historical point.

From slavery to Jim Crow to Ferguson to Charlotte, N.C to today____RACISM does exist and does negatively impact the black community, just as it always has throughout history.

This is just an obvious universally recognized fact.

No white American can make this complaint.

However, the manner in which to address this systemic problem should not be addressed in the marketplace.
Sorry, I'm not down with leaning on the past or what happens to other people to justify one's own lack of achievement or perceived disadvantage in an era where the law gives you a competitive advantage through affirmative action and other financial assistance for school.

The historical racism narrative has zero to do with the drive to pay attention in class, to do homework and study, do well on tests, graduate HS, apply to college, repeat all of he studying, graduate, and apply for a job that will make lunch more affordable.

In fact, I rarely see a black person in my area who does not drive a nicer car than do I. Car financing does not seem to be a issue for the black community at large. So, I fail to see the issue with lunch costs. I had to complete more school than 95% of the population before I could afford the same.
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Old 03-04-2018, 10:50 PM
 
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The failures of the black community is NOT due to their race or skin colour, it's because of how dysfunctional their ghetto machismo culture that admires men with a player lifestyle.

I encounter and know many successful black people, and what they all have in common is that they speak proper business English, they dress like civilized adults (no black hoodies or baggy jeans), they don't waste their money on stupid expensive sneakers or elaborate heavy hair weaves... and they value a good academic education or having a good skill in the trades. AND they stop dwelling on black slave history and expecting continuous apologies and reparations from whitey.

I do think that there needs to be more black male teachers in the public school systems, but being a teacher is not an appealing profession for black men. I guess that it isn't glamourous enough and doesn't pay enough either.

And there needs to be more black police officers in the black majority communities. Again, all those BLM and taking a knee people need to step up and join the police force and show the white police officers how to do the job better. Stop complaining and really do something about the situation!!!
You've clearly demonstrated the fact that you're only human here. You've made some fair allegations here, but some have emerged out of ignorance.

First of all, it must absolutely be acknowledged that when Africans first reached this continent, they had "culture", respect, and were no doubt, highly regarded within their respective African communities or villages. The African male knew his place within his tribe or his relative position within his community's social strata.

It was indeed the institution of slavery that destabilized both African and African-American social strata. Africans were driven by raw fear, ignorance, and subsequently, manipulation. Whatever it once meant to be a man in Africa no longer existed here as a slave in America. As a matter of fact, the institution of slavery necessarily requires the immediate process of emasculation, prior to servitude. Otherwise, the mutual understanding between slave and master gets lost.
This is similar to creating an understanding between a horse and rider, or between a battered wife and a misogynistic husband. Control in all cases must be firmly established before any duties are executed. This establishment of control is one which demonstrates dominance and necessitates complete and total acquiescence. The enslaved male ceases to have any personal identity of expression and therefore, loses his masculinity by default. For that which is dominated, is perceived as weak. That which is perceived as weak, is viewed as subservient. In most societies (including those of the west), the woman or the female is the classical epitome of subservience. This image of the subservient role of the female is further demonstrated by the dominant sex role typically played by men. To dominate with guns, sticks, whips, chains, and laws, all served to emasculate African men and affirm their intra-communal significance. It then became incumbent upon them to redefine themselves post slavery. But boys need men to serve as role models.

Who were male slave role models?

Where would the source of these so-called "role models" be found?

Would it be appropriate for a young African slave boy to have an older male slave as an actual "role model"?

Would it be more appropriate for young African-American males to have former slave masters serve as role models?

How should a freed male and former slave now think of himself after years of involuntary servitude?

Does he have the level of self-esteem required to survive outside of the institution of slavery?

What skills does he possess outside the plantation that will allow an illiterate person like himself, a decent wage that would support a family? A family where the woman would acknowledge his importance as the sole bread-winner. His children would acknowledge him with both appreciation and respect.

Indeed it was then, as it remains today, a difficult task to break through the many barriers in the pursuit of black male assimilation into society where he can be favorably viewed.

Post slavery, blacks were merely attempting to redefine themselves as the free human beings they were born to become and not some beast of burden, working at the behest of a cruel, dominating, and narcissistic slave master.

Slaves were made to both feel and act inferior. How were they to overcome the negative psychological effects of slavery while constantly facing racial discrimination, simultaneously.

IMO

African-Americans are still rebounding from the negative effects of slavery. One can never overestimate the extensive profundity of the negative consequences imposed upon African-Americans as a direct result of slavery. From low self-esteem to poor physical self-images. From low self-expectations to low levels of accomplishment.

It's quite true that while more black male educators, professionals, local, state, and federal officials would serve to better the African-American community as a whole. The African-American male requires a certain type of leadership that can only serve him as an icon of a role model from which to carve a new self. An intelligent, educated, industrious, enterprising, and respectful self, worthy of the universal respect from fellow community members. The high mountainous challenge lies ahead, still in the face of racial adversity.

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