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And we never had an establishment of religion, but many leftist want to tear down and extinguish Christianity and the first amendment etc and anything else traditional American.
How is Christianity being extinguished? Are you unable to attend church due to the threat of being arrested?
Actually I find that it's the more masculine type of men that are complaining about the feminization of men in general. While I definitely agree that men are experiencing lower testosterone, combatting this is tricky because complaining about this fact is one of the facets of victimhood.
Forcing people to completely accept gay marriage is sort of oppressive but definitely imposing.
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Gays were already long allowed to live in ways others might not have approved.
Wow.
Let's assume you don't have any gay friends or family that you know of.
Why do you care what type of relationship adults that you don't know want to have, and why would they need or should they even care about anyone else's approval ?
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That wasn't good enough and they forced complete acceptance and normalization and survivor benefits.
Why shouldn't they be able to enjoy survivor benefits, the benefits of certain trust structures, and certain tax benefits, all that can only be enjoyed by married couples ?
Forcing people to completely accept gay marriage is sort of oppressive but definitely imposing.
Lucky it is, then, that people haven't forced people to "completely accept" gay marriage. You can hate it with every fiber of your being. You can argue it should not be allowed. You are perfectly free to not attend. But if you're Kim Davis and took the job of handing out marriage licenses, you can't refuse to do that due to whatever ideas you claim God put in your head.
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Right wing doesn't care if you don't accept Christianity as long as you don't attack them.
It's a lie. You care a lot. And you will insist that other people not abiding by your Christian ideals is actually an aggression against you. (You're doing that now.)
I have 4 sons and 1 daughter. They all have relatively the same amount of education but my daughter is doing better than any of them. And she earning more than her husband and moving up the ladder while opportunities are just not there for him.
This is real.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy. It's only real if they make it real.
Luke 6:27-31
“But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.”
How do Christian read this and then justify stockpiling funs, worshipping the military and defunding social services? These seem like generally non-Christian things to do.
Because the context is to not be vengeful and retaliatory and to help those in need, but that doesn't mean no self defense or that modern social services are proper with single able body women having children supported with welfare. Bottom line, these "right-wing Christians" aren't all being so hypocritical and unchristian as you're making out although some are.
Lucky it is, then, that people haven't forced people to "completely accept" gay marriage. You can hate it with every fiber of your being. You can argue it should not be allowed. You are perfectly free to not attend. But if you're Kim Davis and took the job of handing out marriage licenses, you can't refuse to do that due to whatever ideas you claim God put in your head.
And to recap, this was what you said:
It's a lie. You care a lot. And you will insist that other people not abiding by your Christian ideals is actually an aggression against you. (You're doing that now.)
But gay marriage was imposed on the State of KY and on Kim Davis who has 1st amendment and historical and cultural right to not accept it. That's the part you are ignoring. If the legislature had passed it, and made proper exceptions for objectors it would've been more acceptable. But the gay advocates didn't want any compromises.
I'm only nominally Christian and am imposing nothing, just trying to conserve American culture.
Because the Baptists feel entitled to have dominion over society and have final say on what everyone can and can't do in their private lives. Anything less than total dominion is persecution to them because they are entitled to rule, and their right to dominate is being infringed on.
Given what you have gone through, once you are able to leave Oklahoma, things will get much better for you .
It's worth researching sure, but lumping all US "men" together is absurd. The US has become multiracial in the last couple of decades and the males of each race have different characteristics which manifest into different stats concerning education, incarceration, etc.. WASP men (race and culture) are much different than hispanics or blacks or asians.
But gay marriage was imposed on the State of KY and on Kim Davis. That's the part you are ignoring.
Tough nookie. Kim Davis' job is to execute her duties according to the law. Man's law. And gay people of KY came to get married. They'd done nothing to "attack" Kim Davis, yet she felt within her rights to refuse to treat them as equal.
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Right wing doesn't care if you don't accept Christianity as long as you don't attack them.
- you were either lying, or you're implying that people merely not acknowledging Christianity are somehow "attacking". You can't have it both ways. Either live and let live, or admit that you care a whole lot about whether people accept Christian social mores.
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