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You've still not answered the question and at this point, I can only assume it's becasue you can't. What is the relationship between taxation and obligation to society that you keep claiming exists?
I know arguing in cliches is easier, but I'm not willing to accept it. I find it lazy and unbecoming. If you can't answer is, say so and at least I might have some level of respect for you.
Government has the essential role of defense, enforcement of the laws, and protection of private property rights. The government should be funded through a consumption tax where everyone pays into the system. There would be any argument that who pays more or who pays less.
I think personally that each one of us should become a productive citizen and not a burden to the society. This obviously requires long term planning and saving for the raining day or our children.
As to care for other unabled citizens, that should be done at the voluntary basis. Likeminded People can pool their money together to pay for that just like many religious people pay a percentage of their income voluntarily to their church.
I hope that’s clear.
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Communism and socialism are economic systems, not political ones. To communism’s founder Karl Marx, history is about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, while economics is about the middle class (bourgeoise) and nobility exploiting the working class, namely by paying the worker less for his or her labor than the actual value of goods and services the worker produced, in effect stealing part of the workers’ labors and paying them just enough to survive. Marx’s solution was to abolish all private ownership of property and have the workers own the means of production (farms, mines, forests, factories, transport lines, and any item that can produce wealth for the owner). In short, communism centers on who owns the means of production.
Laws regulating property privately is not of who owns the land. It’s a matter of regulating human behavior, more of a public policy matter than an economic one. Therefore, communism does not cover such matters. Nor does it cover taxes, what we pay in order to maintain a police force, legal system, and military in order to protect society from threats to it (invading armies and criminals). It also includes funding public goods that the private sector could never hope to accomplish well on its own, if at all (roads, bridges, dams, rural electrification, etc.).
Again, this is not a question of who owns what, at least outside the geographic range of the project (the government could always declare imminent domain over a property IF the owner is justly compensated). It is a question of our individual obligations to society (promote mutual security, mutual obligations to help fund projects which neither individuals, nor the private sector could ever develop on their own, but yet are considered vital for even minimal functioning of all members of a society).
In short, once the question shifts from outright ownership of wealth-creating properties and to our obligations to fund police, military, and mutually helping each other fund needed projects beyond the ability of the private sector to do so, it’s not about communism any more.
Problem with that,Marxism ,there is no reward for working hard so everyone becomes a slacker. No advancement, no freedom to create something to reap the benefits. It would stagnate if there is no reward.
Problem with that,Marxism ,there is no reward for working hard so everyone becomes a slacker. No advancement, no freedom to create something to reap the benefits. It would stagnate if there is no reward.
True. Democratic Socialism, however, is not Marxism.
Problem with that,Marxism ,there is no reward for working hard so everyone becomes a slacker. No advancement, no freedom to create something to reap the benefits. It would stagnate if there is no reward.
That’s a problem not the problem.
The problem is they would murder anybody who dares to advance out of poverty.
You have yet to postulate why Democratic Socialism is evil, although you have been asked repeatedly and given my list of reasons why it is good. It has been apparent for some time that you have no clue about the definitions of any political system and are not a man who keeps his end of a bargain.
You have yet to postulate why Democratic Socialism is evil, although you have been asked repeatedly and given my list of reasons why it is good. It has been apparent for some time that you have no clue about the definitions of any political system and are not a man who keeps his end of a bargain.
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Redistribution.
Redistribution is NOT evil, especially because it's done as to still leave you with more the more you earn than someone who earns less than you, so the motivation to work harder is still there. Someone who makes $100k still lives better than someone who makes $50k
Redistribution is NOT evil, especially because it's done as to still leave you with more the more you earn than someone who earns less than you, so the motivation to work harder is still there. Someone who makes $100k still lives better than someone who makes $50k
Redistribution is NOT evil, especially because it's done as to still leave you with more the more you earn than someone who earns less than you, so the motivation to work harder is still there. Someone who makes $100k still lives better than someone who makes $50k
REALLY? Well let's go worldwide then...since the average worldwide annual salary is $17,760. Are you prepared to give whatever your income above that is to those at the bottom?
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