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Old 04-12-2018, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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It is gradually becoming apparent that the 'tax cuts' (the signature achievement of Donald Trump and his Republican party) is a train wreck.

The entire nation just got brownbacked.
How have the tax cuts become a "train wreck?"
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Old 04-12-2018, 01:39 PM
 
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LOL. Sure.

1. He apparently tried to fire Mueller twice last year and was talked out of it. And that was before his personal attorney was raided. I would not be so confident.
2. Yes he will. All dems will vote for it and its not hard to imagine 33% of GOP senators will go along with it.
3. A new bill was introduced yesterday making it impossible for Trump to fire Mueller. Bipartisan bill. If it passes then yes you will be correct. Trump won't fire Mueller because it will be forbidden.
RE item 3. I wonder how he will take that. I know a lot of folks accused past presidents of acting like they were dictators when they were vastly removed from it (and no not just Democrat presidents), but im not sure Trump understands the word "no" that well.

I wonder if he will call them out, calling them names like traitor and stuff.
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Old 04-12-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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Funny - Trump predicted exactly that before the electon. Such irony.

The AG decides what the scope of a Special Prosecutor shall be, and the parameters were set forth in Rosenstein's letter.

Chapter VI here explains it in detail:

https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...rv2_02.tpl#600
This is why Trump has been so upset with Sessions for recuising himself. He felt the parameters would have been more favorable with Sessions deciding them.
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Old 04-12-2018, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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How have the tax cuts become a "train wreck?"
This is a bit off topic but

Republican tax cuts to fuel historic U.S. deficits: CBO

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1HG2RW

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The massive tax cuts signed into law in December, which Republicans said would pay for themselves, will balloon the U.S. deficit in years ahead, the Congressional Budget Office said on Monday, possibly hobbling President Donald Trump’s future agenda.

The deficit - the amount that Washington’s spending exceeds its revenues - will expand to $804 billion in fiscal 2018, which ends on Sept. 30, up from $665 billion in fiscal 2017, CBO said.

The national debt is on track to approach 100 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) by 2028, said the nonpartisan CBO, which analyzes legislation for Congress.

“That amount is far greater than the debt in any year since just after World War II,” CBO said, adding that the debt is now about 77 percent of GDP, a measure of the size of the economy. The Republican tax legislation, passed by Congress without Democratic support, along with a recent bipartisan $1.3 trillion spending package, are expected to drive economic growth faster than initially expected, CBO said.

Real GDP will grow by 3.3 percent in 2018; 2.4 percent in 2019; and 1.8 percent in 2020, it said.

But those growth rates will not offset the deficits, which will “increase rapidly this year and over the next few years,” then stabilize, resulting in a projected cumulative deficit of $11.7 trillion for 2018-2027, CBO forecast.
Train wreck
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Old 04-12-2018, 02:14 PM
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LOL. Sure.

1. He apparently tried to fire Mueller twice last year and was talked out of it. And that was before his personal attorney was raided. I would not be so confident.
2. Yes he will. All dems will vote for it and its not hard to imagine 33% of GOP senators will go along with it.
3. A new bill was introduced yesterday making it impossible for Trump to fire Mueller. Bipartisan bill. If it passes then yes you will be correct. Trump won't fire Mueller because it will be forbidden.
First of all, he WILL NOT FIRE MUELLER. He is looking to end the SC since the Russia collusion is winding down and since Rosenstein is a Comey-clone he'll need to work on Rosenstein.

Second, the GOP House will NEVER pass an article of impeachment. NEVER. If the DNC wins the elections, they can try next year but by then the political dynamic might be totally different. Remember that the impeachment of Clinton by a GOP House worked wonders for Bill.

Where do liberals get the idea from that the article of impeachment will be allowed on the floor?
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Old 04-12-2018, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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First of all, he WILL NOT FIRE MUELLER. He is looking to end the SC since the Russia collusion is winding down and since Rosenstein is a Comey-clone he'll need to work on Rosenstein.

Second, the GOP House will NEVER pass an article of impeachment. NEVER. If the DNC wins the elections, they can try next year but by then the political dynamic might be totally different. Remember that the impeachment of Clinton by a GOP House worked wonders for Bill.

Where do liberals get the idea from that the article of impeachment will be allowed on the floor?
Winding down??? Don't think so...more like heating up. Are you paying attention to what is going on right now??

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-evidence.html

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Robert Mueller has something new cooking.
In a new court filing on Thursday, the special counsel’s office revealed additional details of the probe that indicate he has recently expanded his investigation of Paul Manafort. The further implication of this filing is that Mueller is actively building a collusion case against the former Trump campaign chairman or other Trump campaign officials, and potentially basing it on the testimony of former Manafort deputy Rick Gates.
The new details show that Mueller’s team acquired search warrants on five telephone numbers last month, just two weeks after Gates began to officially cooperate in Mueller’s probe.

If the warrants against the five phones are “not the subject of either of the current prosecutions involving Manafort,†then they would seem to not be connected to the crimes arising out of the Ukrainian imbroglio, which is the subject of his current prosecutions. By process of elimination, they are related to either a potential collusion case against Manafort, or additional targets. If there are additional targets, though, they would have to be connected in some way to Mueller’s wider mandate to investigate Russia’s interference in the 2016 election and/or the Trump campaign’s potential cooperation with that interference and links to Russia.
Mueller has evidence that Trump supporter's meeting with Putin ally may not have been a chance encounter: Sources - ABC News

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Special Counsel Robert Mueller has obtained evidence that calls into question Congressional testimony given by Trump supporter and Blackwater founder Erik Prince last year, when he described a meeting in Seychelles with a Russian financier close to Vladimir Putin as a casual chance encounter “over a beer,†sources told ABC News.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/04/polit...CNNPolitics=Tw

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Special counsel Robert Mueller's team has taken the unusual step of questioning Russian oligarchs who traveled into the US, stopping at least one and searching his electronic devices when his private jet landed at a New York area airport

Investigators are asking whether wealthy Russians illegally funneled cash donations directly or indirectly into Donald Trump's presidential campaign and inauguration.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ccounts-505307

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Special Counsel Robert Mueller's office moved to seize bank accounts at three different financial institutions last year just one day before former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was indicted, prosecutors disclosed in a court filing Thursday.
The previously unknown move against the bank accounts was revealed in a list of search and seizure warrants prosecutors submitted to a federal court in Washington after Manafort's defense team complained that the government was withholding too many details about how the warrants were obtained.
The new filing also indicated that Mueller's investigators have been pressing on with their work in recent weeks despite the pair of indictments pending against Manafort and a detailed indictment in February of the Russia-based Internet Research Agency and a dozen Russian nationals for alleged interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
Prosecutors said some information about the various searches was withheld from Manafort because it relates to the identity of informants or "to ongoing investigations that are not the subject of either of the current prosecutions involving Manafort." POLITICO reported in January that an errant court filing by the defense indicated that at least one employee of a Manafort consulting firm was surreptitiously cooperating with the FBI and journalists
https://nypost.com/2018/04/09/muelle...tion-to-trump/

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Robert Mueller’s office is reportedly investigating a $150,000 donation that a Ukrainian billionaire made to President Trump’s charity in 2015.

The Ukrainian oligarch, Victor Pinchuk, allegedly made the large donation in exchange for a 20-minute “appearance†that Trump made via video to a conference in Kiev, according to the New York Times.
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Old 04-12-2018, 02:34 PM
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Correction: It's winding down as far as President Trump is concerned
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Old 04-12-2018, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Correction: It's winding down as far as President Trump is concerned
Gotcha...that's a whole other kettle of fish
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Old 04-12-2018, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Correction: It's winding down as far as President Trump is concerned
That has yet to be determined.
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Old 04-12-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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First of all, he WILL NOT FIRE MUELLER. He is looking to end the SC since the Russia collusion is winding down and since Rosenstein is a Comey-clone he'll need to work on Rosenstein.

Second, the GOP House will NEVER pass an article of impeachment. NEVER. If the DNC wins the elections, they can try next year but by then the political dynamic might be totally different. Remember that the impeachment of Clinton by a GOP House worked wonders for Bill.

Where do liberals get the idea from that the article of impeachment will be allowed on the floor?
I don't know ask a liberal. I usually get accused of being a Trump supporter by the left.

So he is going to fire Rosenstein and put in someone who will fire Mueller. Ok. He fired Comey it would not be totally out of character for him or his guy to do it.

If Mueller is removed from his job either by Trump or because he replaced Rosenstein with someone willing to do it he will be impeached. For over a year I have argued against the left who keep assuming impeachment was right around the corner. I thought then the numbers were in his favor. But I think its a lot more possible now. Especially with the mid-terms looking very shaky for the GOP.

The house just needs a majority on one article of impeachment to pass it. It is possible.
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