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View Poll Results: If the U.S. is on the verge of losing in Afghanistan, should it try partitioning it?
Yes 3 8.82%
No 31 91.18%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-11-2018, 07:33 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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As you know, the U.S. has been fighting a war in Afghanistan against the Taliban for the last 16.5 years. We officially got into Afghanistan in order to eliminate the safe haven that the Taliban provided to al-Qaeda, but another large part of our mission in Afghanistan was to modernize the country--specifically by bringing modern technology, schools, and women's rights there. Obviously our success in regards to this has been only partial, though--with the results primarily visible in Afghan cities.

Anyway, my question is this--if the U.S. will be on the verge of losing the war in Afghanistan (something which I don't think is true yet considering that the war there currently appears to be a stalemate), should the U.S. aim to work with pro-U.S. Afghan politicians and military officials to partition the country?

Here's an ethnic map of Afghanistan:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5642/3...2139f2fd_b.jpg

The Taliban appears to have the strongest support among Afghan Pashtuns (who primarily--albeit not exclusively--live in southern Afghanistan).

Thus, do you think that a losing U.S. should try to create a separate state (or more than one separate state) in northern Afghanistan in order to prevent the Taliban from seizing all of Afghanistan and in order to allow the U.S. and U.S. influence to continue to have a presence in a large part of Afghanistan?

Any thoughts on this?
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:37 PM
 
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Afghanistan was a perfect opportunity to create a continuous war, there is no desire by the MIC to ever resolve the conflict, nor by US neocons. The US needs all the excuses in the world to maintain presence there.

Afghanistan is a collection of dozens of individual groups, and hundreds more sub-groups, partitioning it will not ever solve any issue as the area now cannot be secured, and making an imaginary line on a map will not change that.
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:50 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Amazing, what a bunch of stupid people can do with AK-47's, against the 2 most powerful armies in the world.
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:52 PM
 
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Its not ours to lose. America need to get out and get over itself.
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Who gets the opium?
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Old 04-11-2018, 07:57 PM
 
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My thought (not gonna vote) is that someone forgot to inform you that we lost that war.

We can't do anything about anything there.
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZs28ph4YWY
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Who gets the opium?
Big Pharma.
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:35 PM
 
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Verge of losing war?

Umm, people out there actually think that we 'won' there at any point?

The closest we came to 'winning' was right after 9/11 when the Green Berets on horses kicked Taliban bootie, and instead of leaving when the mission there was accomplished, the U.S. in all its hubris decided to stay and waste our tax payer money and troop lives, all for nothing. We're talking hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars that simply vanished and no one knows what happened to that money. If that's not obscene, I don't know what is.

We should have left that region long ago, and we need to leave STAT. That's it. Let them govern their own country. Enough is enough, christ almighty.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYFkmAVOeLY
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Old 04-11-2018, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Afghanistan was a perfect opportunity to create a continuous war, there is no desire by the MIC to ever resolve the conflict, nor by US neocons. The US needs all the excuses in the world to maintain presence there.

Afghanistan is a collection of dozens of individual groups, and hundreds more sub-groups, partitioning it will not ever solve any issue as the area now cannot be secured, and making an imaginary line on a map will not change that.
This is so exactly right. We have been in Afghanistan since 2001!

There is no desire for this war to be ever over, this is the "new normal", a steady flow of money to defense contractors and a playground to test out all the new whiz bang war toys. We need a Presidential candidate to run on a platform of getting out of that country, and I would bet over 60% of Americans would support the idea, conservative and progressives alike.
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