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Old 05-02-2018, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Are others starting be think California is owned by the drug cartels or am I the only one?

I can't explain why the politicians put up with this dangerous stuff, there has to be a reason. It's usually follow the money.
California, are you serious?

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The rates of death from opioid overdoses in West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania are all above the national average, according to a study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland.

The study, which focused on the impact of the opioid crisis on the labor market in the fourth Federal Reserve district, which includes parts of all four states, found that while the nationwide rate of deaths from opioid overdoses sits at about 10 per 100,000 people, Pennsylvania's is about 10.5, Kentucky's is 20, and Ohio's is about 22. West Virginia's is a staggering 35.
Opioid death rates worse in West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, Pennsylvania - Business Insider
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:29 AM
 
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But are those places sanctuary states like CA is? When you tell people to all come here and we will protect you plus so many drugs there you have to wonder. It sure is a good place for drug cartels to set up shop under the noses of the top in government officials who look the other way. Probably getting kick-backs.
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Old 05-03-2018, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Bellevue WA
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Well, if all the people on this thread doing the most outstanding impression of Henny Penny, Chicken Little and Ducky Lucky this side of Oakey Oaks I've ever heard, would invest the same amount of energy into more constructive and productive discourse, maybe these situations wouldn't be so prevalent. The more negative energy you pour into a situation, the more negative energy you get back.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, there are situations afoot which are going unnoticed because the master plan of dividing everyone and redirecting attention through triviality and subterfuge, is going just as planned.
I'm wondering more and more lately if there is an agenda to being a reactionary. Is it a paid position, and what is behind all the drama?
In conclusion, there is a common thread (pardon the pun) amongst reactionaries and finger pointers on City Data. Not a single one has a public profile. No pictures, no "howdy ho" , no greetings, salutations, nothing.

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Old 05-03-2018, 01:19 AM
 
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I do agree people in government (the swamp) want to do all they can to distract from Trump's accomplishments-----he is about to get Korea to dismantle their nuclear program for crying out loud. But you have to be blind not to see these poor souls killing themselves under their feet in CA and other places.

I pray Trump's program to combat the opioid crisis is allowed to work.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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But conservatives will tell you treating drug problems like health problems, rather than crime problems is only rewarding drug addicts. If you do the drug crime, you gotta do the time.
Except you made that up. Please provide everyone here with an example of your absurd notion.
But you won't. Why should progressives ever be asked to show proof when it's well known they cannot defend their policies using the truth.

Your constant fabrication of what conservative beliefs are is just a way to deflect from the horrible failure that progressivism is. The big governments war on drugs is a failure. But thank goodness your progressive left President fought against that. Oh wait he didn't.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:28 AM
 
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Except you made that up. Please provide everyone here with an example of your absurd notion.
But you won't. Why should progressives ever be asked to show proof when it's well known they cannot defend their policies using the truth.

Your constant fabrication of what conservative beliefs are is just a way to deflect from the horrible failure that progressivism is. The big governments war on drugs is a failure. But thank goodness your progressive left President fought against that. Oh wait he didn't.
no, they didn't make that up. You don't need to go any further than to look into what Jeff Sessions prescription for fighting drug abuse is putting drug users in prison

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In an interview with Time, Sessions dug in his heels on his long-held opinion that harsh incarceration policies are the ultimate motivator to prevent everything from drug use to violent crime. The attorney general believes that focusing on addiction treatment rather than penalties is "dangerous," writes Time, and that treatment is often ineffective compared to the threat of a prison sentence.
Jeff Sessions insists people pushing for addiction treatment have a 'misunderstanding' of how dangerous drugs are
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Old 05-03-2018, 09:12 AM
 
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This, exactly.

Doctors get incentives to prescribe opiates. They don't have to prescribe them as apparently the argument that nothing else works as well is bogus, but their bottom lines would suffer if they didn't.


"As tens of thousands of Americans die from prescription opioid overdoses each year, an exclusive analysis by CNN and researchers at Harvard University found that opioid manufacturers are paying physicians huge sums of money -- and the more opioids a doctor prescribes, the more money he or she makes."
If this were true and the pharma industry has such powerful influence and lobbyists, why would they give all this up when Govt cracked down on opioids and doctors though? Consider this was a time when opioids were flying off the shelves, so LOTS of money was being made. I cannot honestly believe the pharma industry was willing to just give all that up without a fight, normally they take advantage of products like this, not restrict access to them to the point where they are impossible to obtain.
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Old 05-03-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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But are those places sanctuary states like CA is? When you tell people to all come here and we will protect you plus so many drugs there you have to wonder. It sure is a good place for drug cartels to set up shop under the noses of the top in government officials who look the other way. Probably getting kick-backs.
Keep in mind, the drug cartels CONSISTENTLY keep every single city and state in the entire country, supplied in dope at all time, enough that numerous cities/ states are in major heroin epidemics right now, the consistency of this is what really makes me suspicious of govt collusion with the cartels. This feat would be tough logistically for a legal product/ company!

Another suspicious aspect to the current drug war, is they NEVER target the source of the dope, enforcement always targets the drugs once they are in the country and when they are distributed out. many law enforcement agencies depend on the drug war, the seizures, etc for a large part of their budget. If the cartels were suddenly not able to keep all these cities supplied, the dealers would have no drugs to sell, users would have nothing to buy, thus, law enforcement with nothing to do.

Think about the city you live in...if they suddenly took out drug crime and drug related crime (such as theft, robberies to get money to buy drugs), what kind of crime would the police be left to deal with on a daily basis? Would it be enough to justify their current budgets, or staffing/ equipment needs?

Ive said it before, in order to continue WAGING a drug war...there must be a consistent flow of drugs coming in.
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:48 PM
 
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I was out in Frisco for a while back in the 1970s and never saw any of the stuff that's going on there now. I lived in a rough neighborhood too. The "Tenderloin". You'd see winos hanging out in the alleys getting drunk. Maybe see kids passing around a joint in Golden Gate Park. That was about it. And the city was more affordable then. It seems like the more expensive it's gotten the worse the quality of life problems have gotten. Weird.
Yeah, comparing San Fransicko of today with what it was in the 70's, it's a huge difference. Even back in the 80's it was so different. In the 90's was when it really started to fast track itself into total devastation. People are so ignorant in San Fran these days, they actually have to paint "Look" on the ground at intersections so pedestrians will look both ways before crossing the street. WTF!
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Old 05-03-2018, 12:52 PM
 
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I heard hotel owners and tourist related industries have said tourism has taken a hit due to worldwide negative publicity about this problem.
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