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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 06-15-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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Not if they came over illegally. If they went to port of entry and qualified for asylum they were not separated.
This is not hard to understand.

Am I crazy here?

 
Old 06-15-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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Not if they came over illegally. If they went to port of entry and qualified for asylum they were not separated.
No decision is made at the border as to the legitimacy of their asylum petition, they have a right to enter the US and petition for Asylum, that right is protected by both US and international law.

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Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Congress incorporated this definition into U.S. immigration law in the Refugee Act of 1980.
Google it if you still disagree
 
Old 06-15-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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That link did not show instances of actual people going to port of entry requesting asylum from an agent then being separated from their children.


What agreement is the US violating?
Here is a great read on the obligations the US agreed to. It focuses on the Muslim country ban, but the points are the same.

Q&A: what legal obligation does the US have to accept refugees?
The executive order cannot displace domestic legal obligations. So those who, with great difficulty, manage to reach the US will have to have their asylum claims examined. The duty not to return a person to a state where they may face torture or other serious harms is absolute under the UN’s Convention Against Torture. The US has signed and ratified this convention.
 
Old 06-15-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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Default Thousands nationwide protest family separations at U.S.-Mexico border

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/im...ursday-n883171

Excellent!

Good on these protestors for using their First Amendment rights to stand up to this un-American government tyranny. This is the real spirit of America.
 
Old 06-15-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/im...ursday-n883171

Excellent!

Good on these protestors for using their First Amendment rights to stand up to this un-American government tyranny. This is the real spirit of America.
lmao.. So un-American it's been that way forever. Are they also protesting about children being taken from their families when citizens commit crimes?
 
Old 06-15-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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No decision is made at the border as to the legitimacy of their asylum petition, they have a right to enter the US and petition for Asylum, that right is protected by both US and international law.



Google it if you still disagree
Yes that determination can be made at port of entry by the official. If the person seeking asylum wants they can request a judicial hearing if they were determined to be unqualified to seek refugee status at port of entry.
Google it if you disagree.
 
Old 06-15-2018, 12:53 PM
 
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Here is a great read on the obligations the US agreed to. It focuses on the Muslim country ban, but the points are the same.

Q&A: what legal obligation does the US have to accept refugees?
The executive order cannot displace domestic legal obligations. So those who, with great difficulty, manage to reach the US will have to have their asylum claims examined. The duty not to return a person to a state where they may face torture or other serious harms is absolute under the UN’s Convention Against Torture. The US has signed and ratified this convention.
Are you saying Mexico tortures and harms their people?
 
Old 06-15-2018, 12:54 PM
 
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Here is a great read on the obligations the US agreed to. It focuses on the Muslim country ban, but the points are the same.

Q&A: what legal obligation does the US have to accept refugees?
The executive order cannot displace domestic legal obligations. So those who, with great difficulty, manage to reach the US will have to have their asylum claims examined. The duty not to return a person to a state where they may face torture or other serious harms is absolute under the UN’s Convention Against Torture. The US has signed and ratified this convention.

Show me where we are in violation of said agreement.
 
Old 06-15-2018, 01:54 PM
 
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USA is the ONLY country in the world that separates asylum seeker parents from their children.

The ONLY country. And it does so contrary to international law. That's the stuff the Nuremberg Trials convicted people for, and "just following orders" is not an excuse.

Proud to be an 'Murican?
It sure is a hot topic on the international news circuit.

Children in a San Diego detention center are now on the spotlight where 65 boys are detained. There is some English language education at this location, although it's unknown whether that was staged for the day or a regular event. The children are allowed 2 supervised 10 minute phone calls per week. Reporters were not allowed to talk to any of the children.

The center is run by a non-profit group that operates 27 detention centers.

So bizarre!
 
Old 06-15-2018, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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If you don't like our laws, get out of the country. Problem solved. All dignified nations have laws, and what would laws be without punishment for breaking them? This is pretty basic stuff here, yet so many still struggle to wrap their puny little minds around it.
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