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Old 05-07-2018, 03:32 PM
 
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I mean, I don't think the Founders would like the idea of having to pay the government a sum of money, in some places as high as $15K/year, for the privilege of owning their own house, and that if they didn't pay, the government could take their paycheck or even the house itself.
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:35 PM
 
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I mean, I don't think the Founders would like the idea of having to pay the government a sum of money, in some places as high as $15K/year, for the privilege of owning their own house, and that if they didn't pay, the government could take their paycheck or even the house itself.
No, it's armed robbery.

Having property tax literally means no private property.
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:37 PM
 
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Not theft at all, since it is legal and theft by definition is a crime.

However, I do think the property tax system is idiotic and ultimately not a proper system by any means.
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:43 PM
 
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I mean, I don't think the Founders would like the idea of having to pay the government a sum of money, in some places as high as $15K/year, for the privilege of owning their own house, and that if they didn't pay, the government could take their paycheck or even the house itself.

It doesn't matter. Property taxes are baked into the price.

If you outlaw property taxes, the houses will become more expensive. In the end, you are paying about the same. The difference is, do you want a tiny piece of the pie goes to the government or do you want the seller to keep the whole pie.

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Old 05-07-2018, 03:43 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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For those people who favor abolishing property taxes, how would you propose paying for the services (schools, police/fire protection, roads & bridges, waste disposal, sewer/water infrastructure, etc.) that they pay for?:

Where Does the Money from Property Taxes Go? | Home Guides | SF Gate

I do agree that in some areas, such as $15K for a very modest home, which is the case in a very small portion of the country (i.e. parts of NY and a few other very high tax areas), they are out of hand.

What would you all propose to be the solution? And hopefully it isn't to do away with schools, because I don't think we need more uneducated people in our country. If the plan is to privatize all schools, that may work for middle-upper class income groups and higher, but what about people who are already poor who wouldn't be able to afford it. Do we really want that many more people who are poor and uneducated because they can't afford privatized tuition?

And if the proposal is privatizing everything, just think a bit about how fair private companies are with their rates.
Think about the cable or phone companies or insurance companies will offer a "teaser" rate but then jack the prices way up after a year or so.

I'm not disagreeing that the proportions in some areas are out of hand, but it sounds as if what's being proposed is to eliminate property taxes altogether. What's going to make up the difference to still be able to provide the services that people demand?
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Xtreme SW Tennessee
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I see it as NEVER, EVER having my property "paid for" (free & clear).
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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For those people who favor abolishing property taxes, how would you propose paying for the services (schools, police/fire protection, roads, etc.) that they pay for:

Where Does the Money from Property Taxes Go? | Home Guides | SF Gate

I do agree that in some areas, such as $15K for a very modest home, which is the case in a very small portion of the country (i.e. parts of NY and a few other very high tax areas), they are out of hand.

What would you all propose to be the solution?

And if the proposal is privatizing everything, just think a bit about how fair private companies are with their rates.
Think about the cable or phone companies or insurance companies will offer a "teaser" rate but then jack the prices way up after a year or so.
Not in favor of abolishing, but they should not be based on the value of the property, should factor use of services, and factor means to pay.
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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For those people who favor abolishing property taxes, how would you propose paying for the services (schools, police/fire protection, roads, etc.) that they pay for:

Where Does the Money from Property Taxes Go? | Home Guides | SF Gate

I do agree that in some areas, such as $15K for a very modest home, which is the case in a very small portion of the country (i.e. parts of NY and a few other very high tax areas), they are out of hand.

What would you all propose to be the solution?

And if the proposal is privatizing everything, just think a bit about how fair private companies are with their rates.
Think about the cable or phone companies or insurance companies will offer a "teaser" rate but then jack the prices way up after a year or so.
Id prefer to see it as a income tax myself. I don't object to paying taxes for things, I just wish it was less complex. And I'd love to feel like I truly owned property.
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:49 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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For those people who favor abolishing property taxes, how would you propose paying for the services (schools, police/fire protection, roads & bridges, waste disposal, sewer/water infrastructure, etc.) that they pay for?:

Where Does the Money from Property Taxes Go? | Home Guides | SF Gate

I do agree that in some areas, such as $15K for a very modest home, which is the case in a very small portion of the country (i.e. parts of NY and a few other very high tax areas), they are out of hand.

What would you all propose to be the solution? And hopefully it isn't to do away with schools, because I don't think we need more uneducated people in our country. If the plan is to privatize all schools, that may work for middle-upper class income groups and higher, but what about people who are already poor who wouldn't be able to afford it. Do we really want that many more people who are poor and uneducated because they can't afford privatized tuition?

And if the proposal is privatizing everything, just think a bit about how fair private companies are with their rates.
Think about the cable or phone companies or insurance companies will offer a "teaser" rate but then jack the prices way up after a year or so.

I'm not disagreeing that the proportions in some areas are out of hand, but it sounds as if what's being proposed is to eliminate property taxes altogether. What's going to make up the difference to still be able to provide the services that people demand?
Income tax as it's based on an ability to pay.
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Old 05-07-2018, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Part of the idea of property tax, which a lot of people forget, is to disincentivize hoarding, and keep land use as productive and efficient as possible. If no one ever had any incentive to sell their land, you would have low turnover and bad land use overall
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