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If it is proven that the female is truly raped then it is not my place, nor the government's, to tell that woman that she has to bear that child imo. The abortion needs to be done in first 6 weeks of pregnancy. Even so, it doesn't change the fact that a baby loses its life.
It’s no ones business to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with HER body raped or not. Not mine, not yours, not some religious leaders. Sure, a woman gets pregnant while marred or in a relationship then she should talk to her partner. People make bad choices it happens but No one Has they right to tell her. Period.
There is no point in us continuing this discussion, but I do have a question that I posed to you previously and it has gone unanswered. You said that it is permissible for a 13 year old girl to have an abortion, so can you explain how you can justify abortion for a 13 year old, but not a girl who is 14 or 15?
You are misunderstanding.
I have said for argument sake to those who say rape incest, etc., as to WHY abortion is "good" is: I will GIVE you those. For argument's sake. That 1.5% of ALL abortions, let's take it off the table, point for you.
So let's look at the rest of the abortions. What's your argument in favor of the other 98.5%? Those are bad right? Shouldn't ever happen?
They never answer. Because they do NOT need/want a specific reason -- rape/incest -- to support abortion. They think it's fine and dandy to kill any baby in the womb, no problem. It's a smokescreen argument, it's meaningless because it does not matter to them whether the woman was raped, was poor, was a one night stand, etc.
Another example: well those women are so poor, they can't afford another kid. Ok, great. So you think only poor women should get abortions? Rich people shouldn't be allowed because they have money they can afford, right? According to the argument ...
Never get a response to that either.
Because the reason doesn't matter. They want to klll kill kill at all times.
Putting these suppositions forward shows that the pro abortion crowd considers all abortion = good. Reasons unnecessary. Puling examples is unnecessary. Because they do not care about any reasons, these are unauthentic, smokescreen and mirror arguments -- which truly do not matter to proabortionists. Because, well, babies should die for any and every reason.
I'm afraid the medical science isn't ready yet, so people getting pregnant are still responsible for getting pregnant, in the majority of cases.
I'll bet there are more anti-murder folks out there to care for that life than anti-life abortionists.
According to several anti-choice posters a developing fetus is not a part of a woman's body, it is an individual, free living baby capable of the exact same consciousness, awareness and rights as a born baby or adult. If this be true than we should be able to take it out of the woman's body to live on its own accord. Everyone is aware people are responsible for getting pregnant and only those people who were responsible for the pregnancy should be responsible for that pregnancy be it carrying it to term or aborting it.
It's called labor and delivery. Which is what prolifers have been trying to explain to you all along.
Have we finally made contact???
You haven't. You say a fetus is an independent, individual not a part of a woman's body, therefore why must it remain in a woman's body until delivery? We should be able to remove it at any point. If it is not part of her body it would not need her body to survive.
If your choice to not stay pregnant involves ending another, unborn, separate life from yours, it matters a great deal, as it should.
If that unborn fetus is separate it can be removed. We can remove organs, tumors, cancer from a body, remove the fetus. It will be fine, right, because it is a separate life.
Abortion is not a medical procedure. Pregnancy is not a medical condition.
Well stop the presses and call Congress. We can take the medical coverage for pregnancy and childbirth out of the ACA and Medicaid and repel all the government programs related to pregnancy. That will save the tax payers a lot of money. As well get rid of the regulations on abortions having to be preformed in hospitals or other specific medical facilities.
For any evangelicals or baptists on this thread I have a question. Why did it take till 1980 to take a pro-life position? Why were you pro-abortion before that? What changed your position?
Are you aware that all evangelicals or especially Baptists are not of one hive mind.
If your speaking of the "Church" I guess you would have to ask those involved in writing the covenants.
To help your understand the "Church", individual churches and individual members like any other organization or individual will flip flop and change their belief about any particular issue as well being a Baptist or evangelical does not mean you believe, accept or follow every value or conviction followed by the church or written in the Bible.
Does that help.
I was raised Southern Baptist, go to a Baptist Church. I am a moderate Republican, pro-choice, pro LBGT
You haven't. You say a fetus is an independent, individual not a part of a woman's body, therefore why must it remain in a woman's body until delivery? We should be able to remove it at any point. If it is not part of her body it would not need her body to survive.
Since baby's are independent we should also just leave them alone to survive independently. They can fend for themselves. They need no breastmilk. They can feed themselves.
Since baby's are independent we should also just leave them alone to survive independently. They can fend for themselves. They need no breastmilk. They can feed themselves.
Do you realize that anyone can care for a baby once it's born? Breast milk is not even necessary since we have created formula and bottles. A fetus on the other hand can't be handed off to someone else to care for. It is dependent on one person and one person only. It it dependent on her body to grow. It's dependent on her body to be fed and remove it's waste. If she doesn't want her body used in this manner she has the right to stop anyone from doing so.
I've always wondered at pro-lifers with 1-3 children. There are millions of eggs in a woman, and millions of sperm in a man. A couple is capable to reproduce for 25-30 or so years. Pro-lifers, what happens after you have your 1-3 kids? You artificially suppress all the babies you can still bear?
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