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Old 06-14-2018, 07:56 AM
 
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Playing nice with our allies helped cause the rust belt to happen.

Not interested in repeating the mistakes of the past.
Rust belts happen everywhere. Russia has theirs and China certainly has theirs. It is part of a free market.

The biggest reason for the Rust belt in the USA is *surprise* the Interstate Highway System. It unleashed a wave of investment and jobs going out from the northern cities and into more rural communities with generally warmer climates and 'right to work' sanctioned lower wage rates.

Architecture changed as well. Factories used to be designed for the function they were built for. Big factories like automotive assembly plants and paper mills are still generally like that, but more and more companies are opting for big steel boxes that can hold just about anything and are easily subdivided. Easier to sell when it comes time to skip out ...

Most of the jobs lost in the upper Midwest and Northeast were sent to southern states. Now more and more we are seeing jobs leave the country or lost to automation, but just as often they run from one small town to another playing off the states against one another for the best tax deals and free land.

Corporate America are poor citizens. They will betray you one minute and ask you to die for them in the next.
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Old 06-14-2018, 02:13 PM
 
Location: United State
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Worst....
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Indeed the worst. Trump has declared a trade war on its allies, and those allies are weeks away from imposing retaliatory tariffs.

I hope the USA is looking forward to "more than $16.6-billion in retaliatory tariffs, effective July 1, on a variety of U.S. goods. Mexico and the European Union have also planned retaliatory tariff packages."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cana...deal-1.3966734
Trump is not the Greatest President of All Time by any means but I am not sure I would say he is the worst either. Surely Franklin Pierce and Janes Buchanan who are responsible for The Civil War are worst? And beside I dont think we should rank a President among their peers while they are still in office.

Anyway, I would say the 15 Greatest Presidents of All Time were:
Abraham Lincoln
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Thomas Jefferson
George Washington
Theodore Roosevelt
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Harry S. Truman
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
James Madison
Woodrow Wilson
John Adams
Andrew Jackson
John F. Kennedy

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Old 06-14-2018, 07:16 PM
 
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What makes Canada and the US different is a fundamental view of life. The American Revolution defined a people who were living at the edge of the known world as self-reliant and, as best contemplated at the time, democratic. They took chances and risks. Over the next 250 years, Americans have taken all manner of peoples and formed a new nation in a melting pot.

Canada played it safe; stuck with Mother England, insisted that everyone learn French while from China to Bolivia people clamor to learn English, and created a mosaic from its immigrants all preserving their own identities.

What Trump may not have directly expressed, we may be neighbors but we are nothing alike. The divisiveness within the US is because the liberal elite want Americans to be more like Canada - a mosaic that gets ever more complicated. The US wasn't until recently a nation of many identities. We were Americans, not French-Canadians, or First Nations. The Trump voter was raised on "we Americans" and rejected the liberal elite.

It's going to be a long wait until Trump leaves office.
Canadians are a melting pot that many new immigrants would like to transform to a mosaic, but that doesn't mean it is possible. Canada insisted that every citizen have access to English and French language education, but that was abolished decades ago. Today, most Canadians just learn English.

Canadians have their history with World Wars 1 and 2, the Korean war, the Afghan war, the Iraq war, and as international peacekeepers. These experiences shape Canada. If we have to look all the way back to 1812, some have ancestors who fought in the Napoleonic war.

Canada's international position will not change regardless of which political party wins the federal election, or who holds the Prime Minister's office. Conversely, in the USA a different president very definitely means a completely different message. That is an huge difference, just yuge! Canadians are united, people in the USA are perpetually divided, endlessly fighting with each other and other countries.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:25 AM
 
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What makes Canada and the US different is a fundamental view of life. The American Revolution defined a people who were living at the edge of the known world as self-reliant and, as best contemplated at the time, democratic. They took chances and risks. Over the next 250 years, Americans have taken all manner of peoples and formed a new nation in a melting pot.

Canada played it safe; stuck with Mother England, insisted that everyone learn French while from China to Bolivia people clamor to learn English, and created a mosaic from its immigrants all preserving their own identities.

What Trump may not have directly expressed, we may be neighbors but we are nothing alike. The divisiveness within the US is because the liberal elite want Americans to be more like Canada - a mosaic that gets ever more complicated. The US wasn't until recently a nation of many identities. We were Americans, not French-Canadians, or First Nations. The Trump voter was raised on "we Americans" and rejected the liberal elite.

It's going to be a long wait until Trump leaves office.
Everyone of our allies shows up Trump and his party as heathens.
Trump is a coward who conned the American people using ill gotten gains and he continues to this day.
He is a coward And a bully. He is wholly UN American.
North Korea knows as do clear thinking people, that Trump is AFRAID of them.
Trump represents the elite and he will ,with your help it sounds, become the first socially accepted murderous dictator of the united states. Or his children will be. Oh yeah. He will unify the country all right.
ALL will stand at attention for the flag.
ALL will stand at attention when he walk s into the room
ALL "enemy's of his regime will be punished
And very Putin esque. ..make the suffering of children public then blame it on your opponent.
DOTUS.
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Old 06-15-2018, 09:33 PM
 
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Y'all think Trump is so great at the negotiation game?

Looks like Boeing, Lockheed and other military equipment suppliers are about to lose sales to a country, Canada, which is looking to replace it's fighter jets, many of it's navy ships, as well as other armaments. Europe is starting to look real good and competitive, especially since many of those companies from Europe are ready to manufacture the planes and ships in Canada, providing employment.

Billions and billions of dollars on the cusp of being gone for American companies and workers.

Smooth move Trump. Smooth move.
Lol. The Airbus A319, A320 and A321 have final assembly in Alabama. The A400M is the only purpose built military transporter from Airbus. It has suffered order cancellations from South Africa and Chile due to cost overruns even 10 years after introduction. If Canada wants to order that please go ahead. With a total of 67 built in the 10 years since introduction, there must be some spare capacity on the assembly line.

The only alternatives are Brazilian Embraer or Unkrainian Antonov transporters. Most core NATO countries have never ordered these.

Canada can have the Eurofighter Typhoon. Enjoy reading this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofi...tional_history

Not even sure if they have sufficient range for Arctic patrols without refueling or reducing weapons capacity for an extra set of underwing fuel tanks.

It's a 25 year old design, it can't even be rationally classified based on a generation. Might as well ask the Russians if they are willing to sell their obsolete fighters as they upgrade to 5th or 4.5th generation fighters.

Canada has little bargaining power if the procurement outcome is performance based. If the outcome is to make a political statement, anything is possible.
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Old 06-16-2018, 12:40 AM
 
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Lol. The Airbus A319, A320 and A321 have final assembly in Alabama. The A400M is the only purpose built military transporter from Airbus. It has suffered order cancellations from South Africa and Chile due to cost overruns even 10 years after introduction. If Canada wants to order that please go ahead. With a total of 67 built in the 10 years since introduction, there must be some spare capacity on the assembly line.

The only alternatives are Brazilian Embraer or Unkrainian Antonov transporters. Most core NATO countries have never ordered these.

Canada can have the Eurofighter Typhoon. Enjoy reading this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofi...tional_history

Not even sure if they have sufficient range for Arctic patrols without refueling or reducing weapons capacity for an extra set of underwing fuel tanks.

It's a 25 year old design, it can't even be rationally classified based on a generation. Might as well ask the Russians if they are willing to sell their obsolete fighters as they upgrade to 5th or 4.5th generation fighters.

Canada has little bargaining power if the procurement outcome is performance based. If the outcome is to make a political statement, anything is possible.
Oh please.

How old a design is the Super Hornet, the F-16, or hey, Herky Birds or a B-52? The Eurofighter flies further, higher and faster than the Super Hornet, is rated as the better dog fighter, faster rate of climb and has supercruise and mach speeds, which the Super Hornet doesn't.

The Swedes and French build some pretty impressive fighters also. So do the Russians, but since Canada will actually stick with the NATO alliance, as opposed to noises from the orange one, that avenue is out.
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:47 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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America's top 5 trading partners in terms of goods, account for over 3/4 of the US deficit, and China alone accounts for 65% of the deficit.

Ranked in order of US trade deficit.

1. China - $636 billion traded with a $375 billion deficit.

2. Mexico - $557 billion traded with a $71 billion deficit.

3. Japan - $204 billion traded with a $69 billion deficit.

4. Germany - $171 billion traded with a $65 billion deficit

5. Canada - $582 billion traded with an $18 billion deficit.

Canada's deficit is not that large when compared with the rest.

U.S. Trade Deficit by Country: Current Stats, Issues - The Balance

The problem is that the US relies on cheap clothing and other manufactured goods that are made in sweatshops in China and the Far East.

I can't see Western Millenials wanting to do a 12 hour shift on a sewing machine for a pittance. So tarrifs are not going to return these types of jobs to the US, they are just going to make imports more expensive.

Trump can impose all the tariffs he wants, it's the US Consumer who will pay for them at the till, and it will be US Industry and Agriculture that suffers as a consequence of retaliatory tariffs, and it will mean job losses and the propsect of an economic recession.
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Old 06-16-2018, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Houston
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"Greatest" president Trump"? Is there another president named "Trump" besides Donald J Trump that I don't know about?
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Old 06-16-2018, 10:14 AM
 
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America's top 5 trading partners in terms of goods, account for over 3/4 of the US deficit, and China alone accounts for 65% of the deficit.

Ranked in order of US trade deficit.

1. China - $636 billion traded with a $375 billion deficit.

2. Mexico - $557 billion traded with a $71 billion deficit.

3. Japan - $204 billion traded with a $69 billion deficit.

4. Germany - $171 billion traded with a $65 billion deficit

5. Canada - $582 billion traded with an $18 billion deficit.

Canada's deficit is not that large when compared with the rest.

U.S. Trade Deficit by Country: Current Stats, Issues - The Balance

The problem is that the US relies on cheap clothing and other manufactured goods that are made in sweatshops in China and the Far East.

I can't see Western Millenials wanting to do a 12 hour shift on a sewing machine for a pittance. So tarrifs are not going to return these types of jobs to the US, they are just going to make imports more expensive.

Trump can impose all the tariffs he wants, it's the US Consumer who will pay for them at the till, and it will be US Industry and Agriculture that suffers as a consequence of retaliatory tariffs, and it will mean job losses and the propsect of an economic recession.
Don't know your source but it is incorrect as far as Canada is concenerned.

From the The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative itself, the opening paragraph states:
U.S. goods and services trade with Canada totaled an estimated $673.9 billion in 2017. Exports were $341.2 billion; imports were $332.8 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $8.4 billion in 2017.


But agreed, many, including me, would accept your figure or my figure as a balanced situation. Some years will be different than others.
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Old 06-16-2018, 02:13 PM
 
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Don't know your source but it is incorrect as far as Canada is concenerned.

From the The Office of the U.S. Trade Representative itself, the opening paragraph states:
U.S. goods and services trade with Canada totaled an estimated $673.9 billion in 2017. Exports were $341.2 billion; imports were $332.8 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $8.4 billion in 2017.


But agreed, many, including me, would accept your figure or my figure as a balanced situation. Some years will be different than others.
I'm not convinced that Trump's "people" understand the difference between a surplus and a deficit. Information about the surplus has been shared for several months, yet each day someone else will parrot Trump's lies about deficit rather than surplus. Granted, everyone sympathizes with the fact that Trump's "people" are constantly bombarded with propaganda, but at some point even those people are expected to do some fact checking.
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