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Old 07-27-2018, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Not when you include housing.



actually it has nationally..... now are some regions outliers...sure... many places within the USA housing is very affordable..... but place like Long Island, super duper high and over priced....




the median household yearly income 1970......$7600
the median household yearly income 2018......$61,770
the median hourly wage.....$25.51/hr
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:14 AM
 
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This was projected 9 years ago, after the passage of the ACA. Not something new.

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Except that it has put us back on the road to trillion dollar deficits maybe as early as next year, so no, not true
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:19 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Let's not forget Maxine Waters who wants to impeach Trump every other week, but never mentions the Black unemployment rate at record lows. I guess she really doesn't care much about that.
The narrative has to fit.

If it doesn’t, then it’s back to opening borders and protecting illegal aliens.

Got to score those liberal talking points somehow.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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4.1% GDP growth. How did Trump do it? Borrowing. His tax cuts were all funded by public debt financing.

It's like the guy who takes out a cash advance on his credit card to throw a wild party for 200 guests to impress them. Any idiot can borrow money to look prosperous.

Funny how during Obama's reign of continuous economic growth we heard rightwingers complain that the economy was propped up by the Fed's "printing of money" and QE. Trump uses debt financing for his tax cuts and the right wing has suddenly stopped complaining about deficits.

Only the mind of a collectivist can conceive of tax cuts needing to be paid for with other taxes.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:27 AM
 
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Except, it was not Mr Obama’s economy. It was the Federal Reserve’s economy. Almost zero lending rates plus 3.4TRILLION in quantitative easing (bond - of all flavors - purchases up, until fall of 2014, (Sept or Oct), is what drove the economy. Now, look at the GDP for Q1 2015, through the end of Mr Obama’s final term. Anemic. By Q3, 2015, which is about how long it takes Fed actions to percolate through an economy the size of U.S.’, it was downright sickly.

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Except that it happened more than 1 quarter under Obama.

From the BEA, here are the revised numbers:
https://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cf...&1906=q&1911=0

2009:
Q1: -4.4%
Q2: -0.6%
Q3: 1.5%
Q4: 4.5%

2010:
Q1: 1.5%
Q2: 3.7%
Q3: 3.0%
Q4: 2.0%

2011:
Q1: -1.0%
Q2: 2.9%
Q3: -0.1%
Q4: 4.7%

2012:
Q1: 3.2%
Q2: 1.7%
Q3: 0.5%
Q4: 0.5%

2013:
Q1: 3.6%
Q2: 0.5%
Q3: 3.2%
Q4: 3.2%

2014:
Q1: -1.0%
Q2: 5.1%
Q3: 4.9%
Q4: 1.9%

2015:
Q1: 3.3%
Q2: 3.3%
Q3: 1.0%
Q4: 0.4%

2016:
Q1: 1.5%
Q2: 2.3%
Q3: 1.9%
Q4: 1.8%

Four quarters with GDP growth over 4%, including one over 5%.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The major reason for the slowdown in GDP in late 2015 was the crashing of oil prices and the slowdown in the oil patch.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Except that it has put us back on the road to trillion dollar deficits maybe as early as next year, so no, not true
Yep. We hit $530 Billion in May, and that is definitely the wrong direction.

4.1% is a good number, but it seems corporations made moves in anticipation of the tariffs. For example soybean exports went up 9000% when traders got rid of inventory before the tariffs hit. If that is true, it would mean less such activity in 3rd Qt, and the 4.1% would end up being a one time spike, much like Obama's spikes.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The major reason for the slowdown in GDP in late 2015 was the crashing of oil prices and the slowdown in the oil patch.
Look at the chart here:
EUROPP – Falling oil prices should help Europe
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:37 AM
 
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Except that it has put us back on the road to trillion dollar deficits maybe as early as next year, so no, not true
"Except that it has put us back on the road to trillion dollar deficits"

I thought we were already there under Obama!

Funny how very few on the left complained when Obama doubled these things!
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:37 AM
 
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Only the mind of a collectivist can conceive of tax cuts needing to be paid for with other taxes.
like removing SALT deductions to make other tax cuts deficit neutral? Yeah- I guess that makes Daddy a collectivist too...
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