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Old 07-31-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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the BLM narrative.
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Ferguson’s law enforcement practices are shaped by the City’s focus on revenue rather
than by public safety needs. This emphasis on revenue has compromised the institutional
character of Ferguson’s police department, contributing to a pattern of unconstitutional policing,
and has also shaped its municipal court, leading to procedures that raise due process concerns
and inflict unnecessary harm on members of the Ferguson community. Further, Ferguson’s
police and municipal court practices both reflect and exacerbate existing racial bias, including
racial stereotypes. Ferguson’s own data establish clear racial disparities that adversely impact
African Americans. The evidence shows that discriminatory intent is part of the reason for these
disparities.
https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...ent_report.pdf

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BPD engages in a pattern or practice of:
(1) making unconstitutional stops, searches, and arrests;
(2) using enforcement strategies that produce severe and unjustified disparities in the rates of
stops, searches and arrests of African Americans;
(3) using excessive force; and
(4) retaliating against people engaging in constitutionally-protected expression
https://www.justice.gov/crt/file/883296/download


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In addition, the department also identified serious concerns about the prevalence of racially discriminatory conduct by some CPD officers and the degree to which that conduct is tolerated and in some respects caused by deficiencies in CPD’s systems of training, supervision and accountability. The department’s findings further note that the impact of CPD’s pattern or practice of unreasonable force falls heaviest on predominantly black and Latino neighborhoods
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...ice-department
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:07 PM
 
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what is the pctg. of African Americans in the US, careful now...statistics are hard

Yes they are because we need to consider what contributes to those numbers. The black population has a slightly higher total of murders than whites despite the significantly lower population total. We can easily assume that police will encounter the most violent criminals at a higher rate for blacks relative to their population. If you need an easier to understand example of this if you had a population of 6 whites and one black and one them was a murderer. Statistically there is about a 50% chance it is the black, each white has a 8.3% chance.

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Old 07-31-2018, 05:07 PM
 
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Table of contents is one page 2

If you're not concerned enough about the police committing crime to look it up but you're willing to repeatedly post about the black population, then we've learned something about you.
Give one example. One. Otherwise you have nothing


I’ll wait
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:10 PM
 
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Give one example. One. Otherwise you have nothing


I’ll wait
Here's 3

https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...ent_report.pdf
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Ferguson’s law enforcement practices are shaped by the City’s focus on revenue rather
than by public safety needs. This emphasis on revenue has compromised the institutional
character of Ferguson’s police department, contributing to a pattern of unconstitutional policing,
and has also shaped its municipal court, leading to procedures that raise due process concerns
and inflict unnecessary harm on members of the Ferguson community. Further, Ferguson’s
police and municipal court practices both reflect and exacerbate existing racial bias, including
racial stereotypes. Ferguson’s own data establish clear racial disparities that adversely impact
African Americans. The evidence shows that discriminatory intent is part of the reason for these
disparities. Over time, Ferguson’s police and municipal court practices have sown deep mistrust
between parts of the community and the police department, undermining law enforcement
legitimacy among African Americans in particular.
https://www.justice.gov/crt/file/883296/download
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BPD engages in a pattern or practice of:
(1) making unconstitutional stops, searches, and arrests;
(2) using enforcement strategies that produce severe and unjustified disparities in the rates of
stops, searches and arrests of African Americans;
(3) using excessive force; and
(4) retaliating against people engaging in constitutionally-protected expression
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...ice-department
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In addition, the department also identified serious concerns about the prevalence of racially discriminatory conduct by some CPD officers and the degree to which that conduct is tolerated and in some respects caused by deficiencies in CPD’s systems of training, supervision and accountability. The department’s findings further note that the impact of CPD’s pattern or practice of unreasonable force falls heaviest on predominantly black and Latino neighborhoods,

Do you believe your ignorance trumps the DOJ investigations?
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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I bet if you could find the statistics, more cops are attacked by blacks than by whites.
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Old 07-31-2018, 05:25 PM
 
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3% of the population (black males 16-30 or something similar) commit 50% of the murders. Blacks commit the majority of crimes

This is one of those stats that can be misleading and greatly inflate the disparity without corresponding data because you are implying the other 97% commit the other 50%. Not going to look it up but the corresponding data would be something like:


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18% of the population (white males 16-30 or something similar) commit 50% of the murders.
The rate is still much higher in the black population but you are comparing 3% to 18% .
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Old 07-31-2018, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Problem #1:
There is a LOT of corruption in large departments. Baltimore and Chicago had the DOJ investigate them under Obama and their report was pretty damning toward black males. But the DOJ did nothing about it. Not a damn thing.

Problem #2:
The code of silence is real. Read this study to find out how pervasive it is.
Police Code of Silence Facts Revealed


Problem #3:
Some cops are racist. Some cops are bullies. Some cops were bullied as kids and feel empowered with a gun and a badge. There should be extensive psychological testing done before they can become a cop and repeated annually by a reputable third-party group.


Problem #4:
Some cops are trigger-happy when it comes to dealing with black males, so black males are going to be shot at a higher rate.


Why is this? Cops are more likely to be assaulted or shot by a black male than anyone else.



I've posted it before but it bears repeating because it's overlooked in these discussions.


From 2004 through 2013 - a ten year period - one cop was killed on average, every 58 hours. These are intentional killings, not the ones that are accidental.

289 were killed by white people, 243 by black people, 9 by Asian/Pacific islanders, 7 by American Indian/Alaskan natives, and in 17 cases race wasn't reported. FBI numbers are here.

In 2013 alone, close to 50,000 cops were assaulted. Numbers can be found here. That's 9.3 officers being assaulted for every hundred.

Of the 78 assaults that they collected data on, they identified 74 of the attackers and the breakdown in that category was:


  • The average age of the alleged offenders was 32 years old.
  • 69 of the alleged offenders were male, and 3 were female. Gender was not reported for 2 offenders.
  • 40 of the alleged offenders were black, 30 were white, and 2 were Asian/Pacific Islander. Race was not reported for 2 offenders.
  • 59 of the alleged offenders had prior criminal arrests.
  • 20 of the alleged offenders were under judicial supervision at the time of the incidents.
  • 18 of the alleged offenders were under the influence of alcohol and/or a controlled substance(s) at the time of the incidents.

Data can be found on the bottom of the page here.

So white men kill more cops, more white men are killed by cops, slightly more black males assault cops than white males, but.....if you look at the numbers based on population, which is the correct way to look at it statistically, then a larger percentage of black males are killed by cops, and a larger percentage of black males kill and assault cops.

Perceived threat based on data = trigger-happy cop. More training is needed.
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Old 07-31-2018, 06:17 PM
 
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Media=false news
Bingo!


read:http://www.businessinsider.com/study...-at-all-2012-5
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Old 07-31-2018, 06:55 PM
 
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I sometimes wonder whether it's done to keep us divided.

For people of color, and especially black people, it keeps them afraid, of the police, of white people, and of society in general.

For white people, it gives them this false sense of security that they can do whatever they want without fear of consequences. For woke white people, it means claiming their white privilege means they don't have to worry about being killed by police. For racist white people, it means they start making excuses about all lives matter and black on black crime and getting off of welfare and pulling your pants up and so on. Neither of which are entirely true.

They also ignore that there are wide disparities between departments. You hear about Baltimore, Chicago, St. Louis, etc. You rarely hear about Detroit, which is odd given the fact that the city is crime ridden and almost entirely black. But maybe their police department has better training. Who would have thought that this could be a solution?

The ironic thing is that Black Lives Matter is actually one of the voices that realizes that being killed by police is not strictly a racial issue, and they've been advocates for all people who faced such deaths, including white people. That being said, black men are about 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police per capita then white men are, but there are like five times as many white men, so it doesn't reflect in the statistics. And black lives do matter.
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Old 07-31-2018, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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According to a database maintained by the Washington Post, as of 7/9 of this year 591 people been have been shot and killed by on-duty police officers this year so far. Of those 591 people, 113 were black, 237 were white, 81 were Hispanic. This means that less than 1/4 of those shot and killed were black.



Watching the mainstream media, you would think that only blacks are shot and killed by police!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...hootings-2018/
And blacks commit half the murders so the police have to deal with them disproportionately. It's really just a myth to try to stir up votes, that's all it is. When there are police shootings, they should all be investigated whether the person shot was black, white, Hispanic, Asian to make sure authority wasn't abused.
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