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Old 08-30-2018, 07:19 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The only things that matter to honorable people are property rights and non-aggression.

I guess narrow minds have narrow interests.
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:21 PM
 
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Is there a victim of aggression?

And remember, "society" is not an acceptable answer. This ain't public school.
Yes.
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:22 PM
 
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That may be, but they'd be much better served working for a private police agency.

I understand the sentiment, but they're giving explicit consent to the State when they decide to become one of its employees. No_Recess is a perfect example; he worked for the government, but saw the light and got the hell out. I used to work for Lockheed developing government death weapons; I got the hell out, too.
I agree with the concepts, but I don't judge those who probably never gave one second of thought to them. Doesn't make them right, but it also doesn't make them bad people.

I hold the powers that be WAY more responsible as they have given plenty of thought to it all and still knowingly go down the bad path. As long as they continue to do that, there will always be people willing to either blindly or knowingly step in to suck up the good salary and benefits.
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:22 PM
 
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That may be, but they'd be much better served working for a private police agency.

no. private police agencies are worse that government police agencies. often times what will happen is private police agency will operate under the color of bounty hunter laws which give them far more leeway when dealing with people. they can enter your home without a warrant, they can search your car without a warrant, they can haul you off to jail for looking at them cross eyed with no recourse on your part. sorry, but as bad as some LEOs can be, a private police force would be far worse.
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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There's hope for all of us!

But for now, we have roads!

If someone as money-thirsty as I am could give up a STUPIDLY well-paying job at Lockheed out of principle and then invest my life savings into starting a civilian business, while living paycheck-to-paycheck for a few years, then anyone can ditch the State.
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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Public school grad.

Forgive the sins of my indoctrinated brain. Detox takes awhile.
No recess for you!

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Old 08-30-2018, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yes.
Well, who is the victim?
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I guess narrow minds have narrow interests.
What's more important than property rights and non-aggression?

Family falls under both of those categories, just in case that was the answer you were going to give.
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I agree with the concepts, but I don't judge those who probably never gave one second of thought to them. Doesn't make them right, but it also doesn't make them bad people.

I hold the powers that be WAY more responsible as they have given plenty of thought to it all and still knowingly go down the bad path. As long as they continue to do that, there will always be people willing to either blindly or knowingly step in to suck up the good salary and benefits.
That was the biggest hurdle to me becoming an ancap; recognizing complicity in the justification of the State.
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Old 08-30-2018, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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no. private police agencies are worse that government police agencies. often times what will happen is private police agency will operate under the color of bounty hunter laws which give them far more leeway when dealing with people. they can enter your home without a warrant, they can search your car without a warrant, they can haul you off to jail for looking at them cross eyed with no recourse on your part. sorry, but as bad as some LEOs can be, a private police force would be far worse.
No. Private police agencies are FAR more preferable to government police, as they have clients and are held to a higher standard. If they provide poor service, their clients will choose competing companies. It's capitalism 101.

Property rights are absolute, and may not be violated for any reason. Warrants are a violation of natural law.
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