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Old 09-03-2018, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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But the for-profit prison industry earn higher profits when crime and incarceration is high and prison labor costs are low. How can the working class of America compete with 10 cents an hour and a ban on unions? Thats worse than even Bangladesh.

Prison workforces are not utilized in every type of work; that work is rather limited. All it will be is the prison workforce utilized in coordination with what ever road and building infrastructure will be needed.


There have been prison workforces programs for years, and the American Business systems has not collapsed. So I don't really seem your problem.
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Old 09-03-2018, 08:54 PM
 
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What do you mean no benefits? They get three squares a day, free medical and a roof over their head. They can also get free job training..... all at tax payer expense!
I say make them work to pay part of the cost to keep them incarcerated rather than paying them to work.
As you say, its not the tax payers and the working class outside of prison that benefit from this. Its the private industry that dont have to pay labor anything basically while the working class have to compete against basically slave labor. Whats so great about that?
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Old 09-03-2018, 08:57 PM
 
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Is their evidence prison labor is displacing legal workers? What are they doing that was being done by Americans? Just because prisoners are doing something a citizen could be paid to do doesn't mean any American was put out of job. If they're competing against illegal alien workers then that's a good thing.
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Old 09-03-2018, 09:00 PM
 
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Prison workforces are not utilized in every type of work; that work is rather limited. All it will be is the prison workforce utilized in coordination with what ever road and building infrastructure will be needed.


There have been prison workforces programs for years, and the American Business systems has not collapsed. So I don't really seem your problem.
Prison workforces are utilized in huge number of jobs and state, governments and private industry have every incentive to further increase these factories with fences.
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Old 09-03-2018, 09:09 PM
 
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I've always been in favor of prisoners being used in medical experiments, especially those on death row or with life sentences. They can volunteer in exchange for extra money or gifts. It's the perfect environment because you can control every element of their lives to get more consistent outcomes. If they die it's not a big deal. Why have poor students or poor people in general risk their lives?
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Old 09-03-2018, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Richmond
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Prison workforces are utilized in huge number of jobs and state, governments and private industry have every incentive to further increase these factories with fences.
I have already asked this once, a Link to what you are referencing would be helpful.


The where housing of humans in prisons comes at a cost. Someone is paying for that cost. The costs associated are in the housing, food, water, bathing, and other basic living condition. The costs are also in of the guards and other security measures needed to keep prisons under control The guards salaries, their cloths and any physical material like weapons needed to do the job. So if those costs either paid by the taxpayer, or are paid via a corporation. I do not see a problem with a corporation recovering some of their losses.


Lets get the basic fact straight, this is a prison, no one forced a prisoner to break the law in the first place. so if the prisoners are being used as a labor force for the consequences of their own actions, THEN SO BE IT.
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Old 09-03-2018, 09:21 PM
 
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Is their evidence prison labor is displacing legal workers? What are they doing that was being done by Americans? Just because prisoners are doing something a citizen could be paid to do doesn't mean any American was put out of job. If they're competing against illegal alien workers then that's a good thing.
They are doing jobs that of course could be done by Americans, making furniture, selling cattle, take hotel reservations at corporate call centers etc. They work for private companies and the wages they earn are often lower than in Bangladesh.
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Old 09-03-2018, 09:26 PM
 
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I have already asked this once, a Link to what you are referencing would be helpful.


The where housing of humans in prisons comes at a cost. Someone is paying for that cost. The costs associated are in the housing, food, water, bathing, and other basic living condition. The costs are also in of the guards and other security measures needed to keep prisons under control The guards salaries, their cloths and any physical material like weapons needed to do the job. So if those costs either paid by the taxpayer, or are paid via a corporation. I do not see a problem with a corporation recovering some of their losses.


Lets get the basic fact straight, this is a prison, no one forced a prisoner to break the law in the first place. so if the prisoners are being used as a labor force for the consequences of their own actions, THEN SO BE IT.
Yes, it costs a lot of money to incarcerate millions of people, but since its the tax payer that foot the bill, private corporations have every incentive to lobby for more crime and incarceration. And the working class of America has to compete against people making $10 cents an hour with no benefits. Thats far lower than what workers in Mexico get with no unions. So we have a sweatshop system in America used as a weapon against the working class. How can the working class compete?
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Old 09-03-2018, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Interesting the concern about prison labor threatening wages and job security from those on the left. But...no concern about criminal aliens that do exactly the same thing? Hypocrisy much?
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Old 09-03-2018, 10:26 PM
 
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Interesting the concern about prison labor threatening wages and job security from those on the left. But...no concern about criminal aliens that do exactly the same thing? Hypocrisy much?
There is no doubt that illegal aliens are a threat for the working class wages in some areas of the economy and that employers benefit from that system. Why would not the same be true of the prison labor system where workers earn far less?
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