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I believe it because of people like Bill Clinton and Menendez. Simple accusations seem to railroad and destroy some people while accusations and in some cases actual proof leave them untouched and looked up to.
Perhaps it's because details matter. Clinton is certainly a sleezball in many ways, but did he commit rape?
You're telling me if the allegations against Menendez were true he wouldn't be facing charges or something similarly serious in nature?
Do you ignore examples of men in high power on all political sides being taken down?
Perhaps it's because details matter. Clinton is certainly a sleezball in many ways, but did he commit rape?
You're telling me if the allegations against Menendez were true he wouldn't be facing charges or something similarly serious in nature?
Do you ignore examples of men in high power on all political sides being taken down?
So is the bar "committing rape" or is it just people in high power taking advantage of people sexually? There is a difference but at this point there is no proof that Kavanugh did commit rape, and I've never assume the bar was set at rape, its set lower than that in whatever parameters you would set at "sexual harassment" which is not as severe as rape.
Tell me who I'm ignoring? I gave two examples, I didn't do a research thesis to identify and detail every case known to man.
As for Menendez, there are PLENTY of allegations and rumors, but he was never harassed and assumed guilty to the same degree as Kavanaugh, and the problem with Menendez was that he was already in a pretty high level of elected power.
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Reason: Changed "men" to "people"
So is the bar "committing rape" or is it just people in high power taking advantage of people sexually? There is a difference but at this point there is no proof that Kavanugh did commit rape, and I've never assume the bar was set at rape, its set lower than that in whatever parameters you would set at "sexual harassment" which is not as severe as rape.
Tell me who I'm ignoring? I gave two examples, I didn't do a research thesis to identify and detail every case known to man.
As for Menendez, there are PLENTY of allegations and rumors, but he was never harassed and assumed guilty to the same degree as Kavanaugh, and the problem with Menendez was that he was already in a pretty high level of elected power.
I think the bar is very simple. It is that allegations (e.g. sexual harassment, sexual assault, rape) should be taken seriously and should be investigated.
And of course what is done matters. Were the two adults consenting? Even if very inappropriate (and gross), that is not equivalent to rape.
We should also remember that the incidents in regards to Clinton occurred ~20 years ago now. It likely would go very differently in today's world. He likely would have faced some wrath for his actions.
#MeToo is not about attacking conservatives. You are ignoring plenty of examples of non-conservatives being taken down for their sexual behaviors.
I think the bar is very simple. It is that allegations (e.g. sexual harassment, sexual assault, rape) should be taken seriously and should be investigated.
And of course what is done matters. Were the two adults consenting? Even if very inappropriate (and gross), that is not equivalent to rape.
We should also remember that the incidents in regards to Clinton occurred ~20 years ago now. It likely would go very differently in today's world. He likely would have faced some wrath for his actions.
#MeToo is not about attacking conservatives. You are ignoring plenty of examples of non-conservatives being taken down for their sexual behaviors.
Sounds like we agree on a lot, but I never said the bolded red, I simply said it definitely seems that its not an equal application of the rules. It seems more politically motivated though.
This allegation was brought up years ago and investigated by the feds. Officers in the Domenican Republic have found that the women were not under age, did not know Menendez, and were paid off by a lawyer to read a prepared script on video implicating Menendez.
Not to say that Menendez isn't crooked as all get out, because he is, but the underage prostitute thing was investigated by the proper authorities and found to be false.
We can't say the same for the Kavanaugh case in which they won't even call witnesses much less allow an investigation to be opened.
Something to consider: prostitution of young people, namely women, doesn't always mean forced prostitution of <18 people. There are times where a 21-year-old woman or man might willingly choose to, as in they have no alcohol or drugs or mental condition that would lower their inhibitions, go into the sex industry.
Is it possible for someone to think these allegations are serious and should be investigated? To people with their heads deep in politics it appears there's only two sides: 1.) he's guilty and needs to go, or 2.) he's the victim of a smear campaign and it's wrong to investigate the claims made.
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