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I was using it as an example to make my point, that we all know that some things are safer than others. And it is your responsibility to protect yourself. So wear your seatbelt and lock your doors.
Stop with this all-or-nothing fallacy crap. I never claimed it would stop all rapes.
All I have said is, since a lot of rapes are the result of things like girls getting too drunk to give adequate consent. Then if they had not gotten too drunk, they likely wouldn't have gotten raped.
And the same thing can be applied to men as well. Some men simply should not drink. And many acts of violence, sexual or otherwise, would never have occurred had it not been for alcohol.
What I was trying to do was show that, there isn't a set amount of rape, or a set amount of rapists. It isn't like if a rapist can't find a scantily-dressed girl in a bar, he will start roaming the neighborhoods, breaking into houses looking for women to rape.
Rape is mostly a crime of opportunity and a crime of passion. A crime of passion means an impulsive crime. Usually the result of a strong but temporarily feeling(usually anger, but can be caused by various other sources), which you often feel ashamed of later.
If you remove the opportunities, and you remove the passion, you remove most crime.
Dude. Seriously. Again, the basis of extreme religious patriarchal cultures. Let's cover the women up so they don't tempt the man into doing something wrong, because men can't control themselves.
Re the bold - it's becoming more understood that if someone is too inebriated to give consent, you don't have sex with them. That's because instead of putting the onus on the person who is unable to give consent, you put the responsibility on the person who is carrying out the act. As you should.
And again, over and over, it's the argument, one way or another, that if the woman hadn't done this or that, that wouldn't have happened to her. It's ridiculous because the woman is NOT THE PERPETRATOR.
There seems to be a lot of controversy around this issue. Although there is little debate that women are not responsible for sexual assaults, do they have a duty to protect themselves? If so, how? Avoiding being alone? Not drinking to excess, avoiding skimpy clothing, what? Many individuals of both genders have expressed this opinion. And if she doesn't protect herself in whatever way is deemed necessary or fitting, is the perpetrator less at fault if an assault happens?
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Why do we have 100 threads on this and not any on how we need to be changing men's behaviors? How to raise sons not to rape instead of women to not life live for fear of being raped?
Why do men rape? Why do men kill? Why do men steal? Why do men fight?
Why do women kill? Or steal? Or fight? Or in some cases even rape?
Men weren't taught to rape. And the men who do rape, hide it from everyone, and lie about it when confronted. They don't go home and brag to their friends and family.
Every man who rapes already knows it is wrong to rape, and yet he still does it. Why?
This isn't a problem of education, it is a problem of humanity. You don't have to be taught to kill, to kill. You don't have to be taught to rape, to rape. You don't have to be taught to steal, to steal. You don't have to be taught to lie, to lie.
These are natural human impulses, and they are still there even in the best men.
These things aren't taught, they are suppressed. Either by guilt, or shame, or fear of punishment.
And what is the #1 fantasy for women? Rape. Why?
You are trying to defeat human nature by complaining about it. And you will always lose.
Do you tell your son to use the buddy system to keep each other from raping women? Obviously men are NOT taught these things.
Correct, it is about right and wrong, being proper. In the film, "The Accused", after the lead (Jodie Foster) is raped in a bar in a back room by more than one, there is one guy who briefly witnesses it, running off to make a phonecall to report it, anonymously. After a time, he later comes forward to support her case.
Though he did not step in to end the attack (amongst participants and onlookers), which should be the case, at least he knew it was wrong and made a report. Surely not all males will follow the crowd, but are likely inclined to not "rat on others" they are familiar with. Just as with bullying, others should collectively step up to end an incident. (These issues should not be continuing at this late stage).
Why do men rape? Why do men kill? Why do men steal? Why do men fight?
Why do women kill? Or steal? Or fight? Or in some cases even rape?
Men weren't taught to rape. And the men who do rape, hide it from everyone, and lie about it when confronted. They don't go home and brag to their friends and family.
Every man who rapes already knows it is wrong to rape, and yet he still does it. Why?
This isn't a problem of education, it is a problem of humanity. You don't have to be taught to kill, to kill. You don't have to be taught to rape, to rape. You don't have to be taught to steal, to steal. You don't have to be taught to lie, to lie.
These are natural human impulses, and they are still there even in the best men.
These things aren't taught, they are suppressed. Either by guilt, or shame, or fear of punishment.
And what is the #1 fantasy for women? Rape. Why?
You are trying to defeat human nature by complaining about it. And you will always lose.
In that case, it matters not what someone is wearing, whether they're drunk, whether they're promiscuous, whether they stood in Times Square in lingerie and high heels, it matters not.
What does matter is that we instill good values into the kids we raise, and teach them to treat each other with respect. And put the responsibility on people that assault where it belongs, onto them, and not onto the person they assault.
Why do we have 100 threads on this and not any on how we need to be changing men's behaviors? How to raise sons not to rape instead of women to not life live for fear of being raped?
Pointing the finger at Mr. Bad Boy and telling him not to be Bad is pointless. Catch criminals in the act with evidence and lock them up. Don't like rapists? Report them IMMEDIATELY provide DNA evidence with proof of resistance (scratches, bruises etc.) as well as accounts from other Women TODAY (not 30 years from now) and get them locked up in the slammer. Stop trying to negotiate with terrorists. Would you tell a terrorist - "Hey Mr. Bin Laden that's not nice. Please don't bomb us!" Do you think he gives two f***s???? What planet do you live on exactly? Ceres???
Why do men rape? Why do men kill? Why do men steal? Why do men fight?
Why do women kill? Or steal? Or fight? Or in some cases even rape?
Men weren't taught to rape. And the men who do rape, hide it from everyone, and lie about it when confronted. They don't go home and brag to their friends and family.
Every man who rapes already knows it is wrong to rape, and yet he still does it. Why?
This isn't a problem of education, it is a problem of humanity. You don't have to be taught to kill, to kill. You don't have to be taught to rape, to rape. You don't have to be taught to steal, to steal. You don't have to be taught to lie, to lie.
These are natural human impulses, and they are still there even in the best men.
These things aren't taught, they are suppressed. Either by guilt, or shame, or fear of punishment.
And what is the #1 fantasy for women? Rape. Why?
You are trying to defeat human nature by complaining about it. And you will always lose.
I know why. Do you? Care to explain why you said that?
So if a woman is drunk to the point she blacks out and so does the guy and she wakes up to find she's had sex but remembers nothing and reports it as a rape, that's only the mans fault?
What about if she's so drunk that she's sitting on someones lap and grinding and then things are taken to the next step only she was really drunk and regrets it the next day. Is that only the man's fault?
Because you should hear what happens on college campuses all across the country if you think these situations are rare.@
If someone is too drunk to remember they are too drunk to consent.
And let’s be clear, that is the exact scenario Brock Turner used to describe what he did to Emily Doe. She was incoherent, black out drunk. She was unable to speak, she was unable to walk, and he claimed that despite his ability to speak, walk (run away), etc that he was just as drunk as she was and was therefore blameless when it came to assaulting her behind the dumpster.
Do you find Brock Turner to be blameless in the sexual assault of Emily Doe?
Why do men rape? Why do men kill? Why do men steal? Why do men fight?
Why do women kill? Or steal? Or fight? Or in some cases even rape?
Men weren't taught to rape. And the men who do rape, hide it from everyone, and lie about it when confronted. They don't go home and brag to their friends and family.
Every man who rapes already knows it is wrong to rape, and yet he still does it. Why?
This isn't a problem of education, it is a problem of humanity. You don't have to be taught to kill, to kill. You don't have to be taught to rape, to rape. You don't have to be taught to steal, to steal. You don't have to be taught to lie, to lie.
These are natural human impulses, and they are still there even in the best men.
These things aren't taught, they are suppressed. Either by guilt, or shame, or fear of punishment.
And what is the #1 fantasy for women? Rape. Why?
You are trying to defeat human nature by complaining about it. And you will always lose.
They do brag. Trump bragged to that Billy guy and what did Billy do? laugh. And what was their excuse? LOCKER ROOM TALK. THE EXCUSE WAS THIS IS WHAT MEN DO IN LOCKER ROOMS. JOSH AROUND ABOUT SEXUALLY ASSAULTING WOMEN.
The title is very broad. It doesn't say do we have a duty not to get blackout drunk at parties, it asks do we in general have the duty to protect ourselves from sexual assault and we are telling you no, we can't. There can be no duty placed on us that we can't achieve.
It does not say "in general".
It asks a broad question and I gave some specifics. And those specifics DO matter.
Or don't you care about women who have bad things happen to them because they drank too much?
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