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View Poll Results: How will illegal immigrant invasion caravan effect midterm election
Help Republicans 203 74.09%
Help Democrats 21 7.66%
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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And where will she be if people respond to her call to action and find themselves shot? Sitting safely on her behind watching it all on the television?
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Old 12-01-2018, 09:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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It is my understanding that a migrant who makes it to the US Border has a much better chance to get their asylum claim approved. Vs someone who applies to the US Embassy in their home country.

Something about this does not seem logical or fair. It just causes huge caravans of migrants traveling huge distances risking their life. Some people from Africa and Asia will fly to a country in South America that does not require a special Visa to enter and then travel thousands of miles to the US Border.

If you were in charge of the world, how would you administer the process for migrants getting approved for asylum in the United States?
I'd cut it in half. We cannot continue our population growth.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Wait, I thought dems didn't want an open border.


there’s no reason why civil rights organizations and the Democratic Party apparatus should not be fiercely demanding open access across the border for the caravan
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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I agree people shouldn't be invading another country that way; however, you are deluded to say that they can just go home and improve their country. The US has been working in destroying poor countries for decades. Rich countries need poor countries, cheap labor and cheap raw materials have not always existed, it is a progress of depressing the value of their products, destroying their weak industries, and controling their finances. Read my comments on Honduras.
What an absurd statement: “The US has been working in destroying poor countries for decades.” Utterly false. Honduras is a Socialist $hole with price controls on food, fuel, and clothing. The public sector is dominant, and is well-known for its corruption, malfeasance, cronyism, bribery, and organized criminal activity. There is heavy unionization, and the unions are also known for being corrupt. There is heavy military involvement in the government, to the tune of 25% of GDP. Honduras does nothing but borrow, borrow, and borrow. Then they plead poverty and look for international debt relief. Supported by more borrowing. The evil empire Capitalist United States is scheduled to give Honduras $66,000,000 in foreign aid in 2019. This for a country the size of New York City. Population about 9 million. You heard that right. If anything, America is being raped by Honduras. 65 MILLION dollars to a country with 9 million people. And where will that money go? Corrupt collectivist state leaders, union bosses, military bosses, and connected cronyists.

Private investment? Why on Earth would you bother? Honduras is rated 125 out of 185 countries in terms of ease of doing business. 25% corporate taxation. Absurd. And a sales tax of 15%!!!

The problem with Honduras is completely of its own doing. The citizens need to revolt, get rid of socialism, unionism, and deficit borrowing from other countries. They need to establish freedom and the economic system of freedom: Capitalism. They need to build a free market economy. They need to respect private property rights. They need to stop taxing their citizens into oblivion. They need to stop participating in the drug trade and they need to stop supporting and allowing MS-13 and the 18th Street gang.

And no, we cannot take in citizens from Honduras. They are not going to help our country. Honduran migrants need to return to Honduras and fix Honduras. If that means Revolution, then so be it. Do it down there. You built the sewer. You clean it out.

Meanwhile we give you 65 million a year, and lend you gobs and gobs of money through the IMF. Money that NEVER gets repaid. That should stop now, because that money is literally being funneled to the mob leaders who run all aspects of Honduras.

Go back and fix your country, even if you have to die to do it. We did that in the 1700s. Freedom is not automatic. It has to be earned. Go home and earn it.

And then I have to listen to this ungrateful BS when all we do here is get taxed to send you 66 million every year? Bull$hit.
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Old 12-01-2018, 10:36 AM
 
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It is my understanding that a migrant who makes it to the US Border has a much better chance to get their asylum claim approved. Vs someone who applies to the US Embassy in their home country.

Something about this does not seem logical or fair. It just causes huge caravans of migrants traveling huge distances risking their life. Some people from Africa and Asia will fly to a country in South America that does not require a special Visa to enter and then travel thousands of miles to the US Border.

If you were in charge of the world, how would you administer the process for migrants getting approved for asylum in the United States?
Migrants should not be approved for asylum. Asylum is for the occasional person who escapes from a known terrorist psychotic regime that death camps its dissidents. Like a North Korea. Like an Iran. It is not for mass groups of people who are unhappy with their economies. Economies that they allowed, permitted, voted for, accepted. So no asylum in this case. You can apply for citizenship in another country. And if you are a Honduran or Nicaraguan or whatever who only speaks Spanish and has no skills that will be useful in the United States? You can’t come here. Try Guatemala, Belize, Costa Rica, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina. The only reason to come to a completely foreign culture that you are unfamiliar with is to take advantage. We have to stop providing the mechanism whereby we allow ourselves to be abused by seekers of opportunity using our own perverted asylum laws against us.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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What an absurd statement: “The US has been working in destroying poor countries for decades.” Utterly false. Honduras is a Socialist $hole with price controls on food, fuel, and clothing. The public sector is dominant, and is well-known for its corruption, malfeasance, cronyism, bribery, and organized criminal activity. There is heavy unionization, and the unions are also known for being corrupt. There is heavy military involvement in the government, to the tune of 25% of GDP. Honduras does nothing but borrow, borrow, and borrow. Then they plead poverty and look for international debt relief. Supported by more borrowing. The evil empire Capitalist United States is scheduled to give Honduras $66,000,000 in foreign aid in 2019. This for a country the size of New York City. Population about 9 million. You heard that right. If anything, America is being raped by Honduras. 65 MILLION dollars to a country with 9 million people. And where will that money go? Corrupt collectivist state leaders, union bosses, military bosses, and connected cronyists.

Private investment? Why on Earth would you bother? Honduras is rated 125 out of 185 countries in terms of ease of doing business. 25% corporate taxation. Absurd. And a sales tax of 15%!!!

The problem with Honduras is completely of its own doing. The citizens need to revolt, get rid of socialism, unionism, and deficit borrowing from other countries. They need to establish freedom and the economic system of freedom: Capitalism. They need to build a free market economy. They need to respect private property rights. They need to stop taxing their citizens into oblivion. They need to stop participating in the drug trade and they need to stop supporting and allowing MS-13 and the 18th Street gang.

And no, we cannot take in citizens from Honduras. They are not going to help our country. Honduran migrants need to return to Honduras and fix Honduras. If that means Revolution, then so be it. Do it down there. You built the sewer. You clean it out.

Meanwhile we give you 65 million a year, and lend you gobs and gobs of money through the IMF. Money that NEVER gets repaid. That should stop now, because that money is literally being funneled to the mob leaders who run all aspects of Honduras.

Go back and fix your country, even if you have to die to do it. We did that in the 1700s. Freedom is not automatic. It has to be earned. Go home and earn it.

And then I have to listen to this ungrateful BS when all we do here is get taxed to send you 66 million every year? Bull$hit.
You can't even listen. Most of the aid is in the form of military aids, in other words the tax money do not go to Hondurans, it goes to the military industry and private contractors in the US. The millions of dollars in loans from the IMF and World Bank goes into building infrastructure (roads, bridges, ports, etc.) mainly so their agriculture goods and raw materials keep flowing out cheaply, NOT to their citizens or jobs that raise their standard of living.

When they protest the system they are assassinated by a military armed by the US. The military follows Washington orders, just like the military took out the president in 2009.

Honduras is socialist? You have no idea what you are talking about, opening the country to business interest is the main feature of the country, unions are a small part of it.

The only correct thing you said is that most of the money goes to corrupt leaders; that's right, the ones Washington wants in power.

The US used Honduras as base in the wars against Nicaragua and El Salvador in the 80's and 90's. And the gang violence was the worst in history after the 2009 coup. Their military [again, armed and trained by the US] even assassinate environment activists just for protesting; the US will not permit a revolution in Honduras, right wing governments are supported by the US no matter how corrupt they are.

Cheap labour from Honduras allows the US to make huge profits in the textile and clothing business, they make car parts and pay their workers dirt. Workers' right are non-existent, a company can file bankrupt and not have to pay anything to workers or taxes. That is what the US support, even it it means violence and corruption.

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Old 12-01-2018, 11:25 AM
 
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You can't even listen. Most of the aid is in the form of military aids, in other words the tax money do not go to Hondurans, it goes to the military industry and private contractors in the US. The millions of dollars in loans from the IMF and World Bank goes into building infrastructure (roads, bridges, ports, etc.) mainly so their agriculture goods and raw materials keep flowing out cheaply, NOT to their citizens or jobs that raise their standard of living.

When they protest the system they are assassinated by a military armed by the US. The military follows Washington orders, just like the military took out the president in 2009.

Honduras is socialist? You have no idea what you are talking about, opening the country to business interest is the main feature of the country, unions are a small part of it.

The only correct thing you said is that most of the money goes to corrupt leads; that's right, the ones Washington wants in power.

The US used Honduras as base in the wars against Nicaragua and El Salvador in the 80's and 90's. And the gang violence was the worst in history after the 2009 coup. Their military even assassinate environment activists just for protesting, again, the US will not permit a revolution in Honduras, right wing governments are supported by the US no matter how corrupt they are.

Cheap labour from Honduras allows the US to make huge profits in the textile and clothing business, they make car parts and pay their workers dirt. Workers' right are non-existent, a company can file bankrupt and not have to pay anything to workers or taxes. That is what the US support, even it it means violence and corruption.
So what you are saying is all this would stop if there was a complete revocation of all foreign aid to Honduras. All military aid to Honduras. All IMF aid to Honduras. All World Bank aid to Honduras. I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. The United States should not send Honduras, its government, its military, or its citizens one red cent. Without foreign aid, the military and other organs of oppression would no longer be funded. In fact, would no longer be possible. So let’s do that. Honduras should be a competent, unencumbered, independent, functional country operating 100% ON ITS OWN STEAM. I AGREE COMPLETELY AND WOULD SUPPORT CUTTING HONDURAS, AND ALL OTHER COUNTRIES, FREE, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.

Meanwhile, no asylum, no admittance to my country. I don’t need more mouths to feed for free in my country. We have enough domestic moochers as it is.
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Old 12-01-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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So what you are saying is all this would stop if there was a complete revocation of all foreign aid to Honduras. All military aid to Honduras. All IMF aid to Honduras. All World Bank aid to Honduras. I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. The United States should not send Honduras, its government, its military, or its citizens one red cent. Without foreign aid, the military and other organs of oppression would no longer be funded. In fact, would no longer be possible. So let’s do that. Honduras should be a competent, unencumbered, independent, functional country operating 100% ON ITS OWN STEAM. I AGREE COMPLETELY AND WOULD SUPPORT CUTTING HONDURAS, AND ALL OTHER COUNTRIES, FREE, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.

Meanwhile, no asylum, no admittance to my country. I don’t need more mouths to feed for free in my country. We have enough domestic moochers as it is.
That's nice but it would not happen. That is standard international policies. Prompt up governments through the military and control their finances. That guarantees cheap labor and cheap raw materials. If all poor countries were independent they would not allow rich countries exploit their people.

I am not supporting asylum or open borders if that is what you believe, I'm saying that the main cause this problem is economic policies pushed mainly by the US. If you have 15 min listen to this veteran and what the US support.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FcaGKJw2sA
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:21 PM
 
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The US used Honduras as base in the wars against Nicaragua and El Salvador in the 80's and 90's. And the gang violence was the worst in history after the 2009 coup. Their military [again, armed and trained by the US] even assassinate environment activists just for protesting; the US will not permit a revolution in Honduras, right wing governments are supported by the US no matter how corrupt they are.

I wish you guys could make up your minds if the U.S. is omnipotent or impotent. It seems to waver to suit your agenda. Any time we try to improve things somewhere - Middle East, Africa, Asia - you guys say we play the short game, don't understand the culture, don't know what we're doing, and will not be able to change anything. But then every shthole regime is allegedly one we created and preserved.
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Old 12-01-2018, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Your typical Honduras asylum seeker.

https://youtu.be/INcyE-TpahM
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