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Old 10-30-2018, 07:11 AM
 
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President Donald Trump said in an interview posted on Tuesday that he intends to sign an executive order that would terminate birthright citizenships in part of an effort to end "anchor babies" and "chain migration."

Trump plans to sign executive order ending birthright citizenship: Axios

Best news I've heard in a long time!
I think he can't do that.

It would take a constitutional amendment.

This looks like showboating for the election. He signs the order, a judge strikes it down on constitutional grounds, he complains about the judges.

Very set up manipulation of the voters.

 
Old 10-30-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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I wonder how you want the Second Amendment interpretted? Just curious.

Is there a qualifier in it that doesn't allow citizens to bear arms to protect themselves? If so, please post it.
 
Old 10-30-2018, 07:14 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The qualifier is obviously there to exclude Native Americans on their reserved lands and diplomats (and their families), neither of whom are subject to US jurisdiction or laws (Native Americans were later granted citizenship rights in 1924).
That's another historical inaccuracy. Native Americans were subject to US criminal law and federal courts since 1885, but didn't have birthright US citizenship until specifically granted an exception by a Legislative Act in 1924. Prior to that, they were born in the US, but were not birthright US citizens. They had to naturalize.

Info on this from the FBI:
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"In 1885, Congress passed the Major Crimes Act to address the resolution of cases in which a crime involving two Native American parties occurs in Indian country. This Act established federal jurisdiction over seven crimes committed in these instances. The original seven covered by the Act include murder, manslaughter, rape, assault with intent to kill, arson, burglary, and larceny. Subsequent amendments to the Act have added seven more offenses: kidnapping, incest, assault with a dangerous weapon, assault resulting in serious bodily injury, assault with intent to commit rape, robbery, and felonious sexual molestation of a minor. Although the intent of the Act is to permit federal punishment of major crimes by Indians against other Native Americans, the Major Crimes Act applies even in offenses committed by Indians against individuals of another ethnicity."
Discusses local/state jurisdiction, as well.

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/legal-d...er-act-of-2010
 
Old 10-30-2018, 07:15 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The 14th Amendment:



"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


"All persons born" seems pretty straight-forward. I wonder how those that believe in the 'originalism' viewpoint of the Constitution would interpret this clause? What did they mean by 'All persons born'?



In short, President Trump cannot amend the meaning of the Constitution by executive order. I happen to agree that the Constitution should be amended so that 'anchor babies' (meaning, those whose parents are not US citizens) are not citizens simply due to the fact that they were born within our borders. If one parent is a citizen, fine. If both are not, then no citizenship for the child.



But such can only be by amending the Constitution.



Neil Gorsuch
Brett Kavanaugh
 
Old 10-30-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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I think he can't do that.

It would take a constitutional amendment.

This looks like showboating for the election. He signs the order, a judge strikes it down on constitutional grounds, he complains about the judges.

Very set up manipulation of the voters.
You need to get with the program. This has been a hot topic for decades with the increase of illegal aliens coming here and having anchor babies. This isn't the 1800s anymore when this amendment was put in place so slaves would be able to vote.
This issue needs to make it's way through the courts. A judge striking it down means nothing. It's up to the Supreme Court to decided which way this should go. This should have been looked at again by the Supreme Court at least 30 years ago.
 
Old 10-30-2018, 07:16 AM
 
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^^^ Thank you for illustrating the point of my post. In 2 years you will be asked to get this upset again.

Who's upset? I merely posted an article that I saw this morning. On the other hand read the posts of those in here that want to continue this unconstitutional nonsense and there you will see "upset" including you!
 
Old 10-30-2018, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I'm not a lawyer so won't pretend to know if an EO is able to end birthright citizenship rights. I support ending birthright citizenship to children born to women in the US illegally and women from other countries who fly into the US to give birth. The United States and Canada are the only developed nations in the world to still offer Birthright Citizenship to tourists and illegal aliens.

how the former president could use an EO to amend immigration laws for 'dreamers' to remain legally in this country never made sense to me; however this EO has held up in the courts so far.
 
Old 10-30-2018, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Haha. Don't worry all you protectors of the Constitution. Trump is authorized because "they" said it is ok.

So are "they" his fabulous attorneys? Or is "they" Lil Donny Jr? Michael Cohen? Kellyann Conjob? Hannity?

The Apprentice is going to override the Constitution?
 
Old 10-30-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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Yes. If it goes to the SCOTUS and they set limits on the 14th, that would change things. The EO, by itself, would start out an unConstitutional EO.

Which isn’t such a great idea.
Isn't that the idea to make the order and then eventually have it decided in the Supreme Court?

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Congress should be tackling this issue.
Fat chance of that happening.

It really comes down to the interpretation of "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" .

I don't believe what is happening now has anything to do with the intent of the amendment.
 
Old 10-30-2018, 07:18 AM
 
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On the bold - the difference is that the Dems didn't pull a topic out of their a$$es just to instigate their base. Dems are mostly running on healthcare. If Trump and company truly wanted to get rid of birthright citizenship, they could have done it over the past 20 months via amending the constitution.


Shows me he nor the GOP are serious about the issue.
Well, the Dems might want to adopt it as an idea for themselves so that we can afford the said healthcare plan they are always BSing about. Otherwise, it's just a marketing ploy for votes.

We need to stop importing poverty and start putting our money where our mouth is. If we do a few things like eliminating birth citizenship, we very well could afford a single payer healthcare plan.
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