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There is a constitutional process to change amendments. You guys are supporting burning it. I never thought I'd see the day America sh*t all over its own founding, yet here we are.
Hardly. Presidents have the Constitutional authority to make executive orders. Obama was very good at it too. Then it's up to the courts to decide whether or not those executive orders are Constitutional. It's how it works and how it's suppose to be even though you may not like it.
There is a constitutional process to change amendments. You guys are supporting burning it. I never thought I'd see the day America sh*t all over its own founding, yet here we are.
the 14th amendment was not at the founding..it was 1868
Is there a qualifier in it that doesn't allow citizens to bear arms to protect themselves? If so, please post it.
Without birthright, why can't citizenship be removed retroactively or not given to people the government in office doesn't like? And without it, what protects your right to bear arms, exactly?
Trumpers really aren't thinking this through. Big surprise there.
Supporters of this should be very careful what they wish for. Even if this passes constitutionality, and there is no logical reason it shouldn't be laughed out of the SC chambers for its blatant power-grabbing, fascist illegality, the potential consequences go far beyond the immigration issue.
Based on the 14th Amendment itself, recorded legal determinations of US birthright citizenship after the fact, and CURRENT US Nationality Law, Trump and his Counsel are correct. I've posted a significant amount of info regarding this issue. It's about the Constitution and actual codified law, not about "feelings."
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Without birthright citizenship, what actually grants citizenship?
Some born in the US have birthright US citizenship; some do not. US-born Native Americans didn't have birthright US citizenship until 1924, when the legislature made a specific legal exception for them. I've posted the current US Nationality Law.
The qualifier is "and" subject to the jurisdiction, etc. If anyone born on our soil were automatically a birthright citizens the qualifier of "and" would not be in the text. Illegal aliens are not subject to our jurisdiction they are subject to their own country's jurisdiction.
It seems that many posters have not taken Logic 101:
IF A AND B, THAN C
IF A (Born in US) ANDB (Subject to Jurisdiction), THAN C (Citizenship)
the 14th amendment was not at the founding..it was 1868
so endeth the lesson
The Constitution, the founding document, determines the breakdown of how such laws are passed and what must be done. An EO on this matter is a complete violation of that. Amendments can only be changed via other amendments. You are advocating that we should no longer follow constitutional law in America. This is vile even by Trump standards.
President Donald Trump said in an interview posted on Tuesday that he intends to sign an executive order that would terminate birthright citizenships in part of an effort to end "anchor babies" and "chain migration."
Finally. The biggest American loophole of all time.
Imagine going to Norway, Japan, or Canada to have a baby and claim citizenship for it. Those countries would laugh out loud as they deported you for visa fraud
There is a constitutional process to change amendments.
The 14th Amendment doesn't need to be changed. It just needs to be enforced. The current US Nationality Law, passed in a bipartisan manner by Congress, tells us how to do that. It makes a legal exception for US-born members of aboriginal US Tribes, but does not make an exception for anyone else born with foreign allegiance, which includes illegal aliens.
Let's hear it conservatives, "you can't rule by EOs"! Wasn't that the chant from 2008-2016?
nope. i never once heard such a chant.
maybe something you dreamed..?
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