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Trump was not in the spotlight for a few days because of the attempted bombings and shooters. Now he will say anything to get the spotlight back. But only if its positive. If its negative, its the medias fault.
The 14th Amendment doesn't need to be changed. It just needs to be enforced. The current US Nationality Law, passed in a bipartisan manner by Congress, tells us how to do that. It makes a legal exception for US-born members of aboriginal US Tribes, but does not make an exception for anyone else born with foreign allegiance, which includes illegal aliens.
The 14th Amendment includes anyone born on US soil. You don't get to ignore that just because you don't like it. US Tribes were different in that they maintained their own sovereignty.
this is exciting, hope it goes to court and gets ruled rightfully so. Ending birth right citizenships would be amazing for future generations. screw the sjw's
President Donald Trump said in an interview posted on Tuesday that he intends to sign an executive order that would terminate birthright citizenships in part of an effort to end "anchor babies" and "chain migration."
Bwahahahaha!!! Why are trump boot lockers so gullible? It’s a marketing ploy, for midterm elections. Afterward, it’ll fall by the wayside. Duh!!! My god.
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Originally Posted by kevinm
Its about time. The 14th Amendment was created to protect the children of emancipated slaves, not create citizens of anyone baby plopped out within our borders. How would you feel if your parents were in the United States on vacation and your mom gave birth and you were stolen from your home country??
The Constitution, the founding document, determines the breakdown of how such laws are passed and what must be done. An EO on this matter is a complete violation of that. Amendments can only be changed via other amendments. You are advocating that we should no longer follow constitutional law in America. This is vile even by Trump standards.
not exactly
an EO can also be used to informally expand the original meaning of the Constitution, such as President Truman's executive order integrating the military and President Clinton's decision to wage war in Yugoslavia without obtaining Congressional approval.
Abraham Lincoln suspended judicial habeas corpus and controlled speech during the civil war without legal support from Congress and actual opposition from the Supreme Court.
Jefferson’s purchase of Louisiana and Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation were based on such orders. So were Franklin Roosevelt’s creation of his Works Progress Administration to fight the Great Depression, Dwight Eisenhower’s use of the military to enforce Little Rock school desegregation, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Richard Nixon’s assertion of affirmative action to control employment discrimination, and Bill Clinton’s bailout of Mexico... All EO's
remember also....what can be done by executive authority can be undone by it. Reagan’s Mexico City restriction on the use of federal funds for abortion was annulled by Clinton, reinstated by Bush and revoked again by Obama
I guess I figured that birthright citizenship is an issue that could unite us. I figured we were, pretty much, all against it, but as I am seeing on this thread, there are some people that are for it. I’m not sure what their reasons could be. I only see the downside, with little to no upside. At least no upside for Americans.
So maybe one of you guys could tell me, if you are FOR birthright citizenship, why?
Because it will inevitably be used against far more people than immigrants and their children. It is the height of naivety to believe that you aren't putting yourself in danger here. Everyone will be.
Also, it's an unconstitutional act. It's as simple as that. Are we for the Constitution or not?
If you're confused, perhaps you need to reread CURRENT US Nationality Law, passed in a bipartisan manner by Congress:
Subsections (a) and (b) in the following linked CURRENT Federal Law. If "everyone" born in the US were actually automatically US citizens via the 14th Amendment, subsection (b) would be redundant and would be neither included nor necessary:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property
You need to understand WHY that specific legal exception had to be made for a child of at least one US-born Indian (Native American), Eskimo, Aleutian, and other US aboriginals to understand WHY not all those born in the US are automatically US Citizens.
(Hint: It's because they are born subject to a foreign sovereign entity. So are legal AND illegal aliens' children, but no legal exception has ever been made for them as was made for the US-born children of US-born aboriginals in the Indian Citizenship Act of1924 - LONG after the ratification of the 14th Amendment.)
No such extensions have ever been legally granted to anyone else; not to the children of: tourists, nor those here on temporary visas or other temporary basis, and not illegal aliens. Thus, so-called "anchor babies" are political policy citizens only, not actual legal citizens.
Fed Gov has duped Americans for decades. It's about time we return to the Constitution and the law.
I meant specifically the name of the counsel that will approve this, I would love to know the lawyer that would approve this. It's not as if this hasn't come up in the past regarding illegal immigrants that come here and have children. Such a simple solution, why do you suppose no one used and EO in the past. This will disappear November 8th,
an EO can also be used to informally expand the original meaning of the Constitution, such as President Truman's executive order integrating the military and President Clinton's decision to wage war in Yugoslavia without obtaining Congressional approval.
Abraham Lincoln suspended judicial habeas corpus and controlled speech during the civil war without legal support from Congress and actual opposition from the Supreme Court.
Jefferson’s purchase of Louisiana and Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation were based on such orders. So were Franklin Roosevelt’s creation of his Works Progress Administration to fight the Great Depression, Dwight Eisenhower’s use of the military to enforce Little Rock school desegregation, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Richard Nixon’s assertion of affirmative action to control employment discrimination, and Bill Clinton’s bailout of Mexico... All EO's
remember also....what can be done by executive authority can be undone by it. Reagan’s Mexico City restriction on the use of federal funds for abortion was annulled by Clinton, reinstated by Bush and revoked again by Obama
Wouldn't that be fun. You're a citizen. No, you're not. Yes, you are. No, not really. For no other reason, and there are dozens of them, this is yet another stupid idea from Trump.
Because it will inevitably be used against far more people than immigrants and their children. It is the height of naivety to believe that you aren't putting yourself in danger here. Everyone will be.
Also, it's an unconstitutional act. It's as simple as that. Are we for the Constitution or not?
It depends how you interpret the constitution. But that aside. Lets say there is an amendment.
You seriously believe the government will use this to deny children of American citizens their citizenship?
Presidents do NOT have the authority to unilaterally alter the Constitution itself. Have none of you ever taken any basic government or civics classes?
yes they do
an EO can be used to informally expand/retract/amend the original meaning of the Constitution...
Dwight Eisenhower’s use of the military to enforce Little Rock school desegregation thus suspending posse comitatus
Bill Clinton’s bailout of Mexico... an EO
remember also....what can be done by executive authority can be undone by it. as it is NOT a formal amendment
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