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The qualifier is "and" subject to the jurisdiction, etc. If anyone born on our soil were automatically a birthright citizens the qualifier of "and" would not be in the text. Illegal aliens are not subject to our jurisdiction they are subject to their own country's jurisdiction.
But the illegal alien is not the one who is being born.
Incorrect. I posted a lengthy explanation of why no Amendment is needed (In part, there were those born in the U.S. after the 14th Amendment was ratified, and even after the Wong Kim Ark ruling, who were NOT U.S. citizens at birth). Trump's Counsel is legally correct. He can fix this via EO.
Who is Trumps legal counsel that blessed this action.
Based on the 14th Amendment itself, recorded legal determinations of US birthright citizenship after the fact, and CURRENT US Nationality Law, Trump and his Counsel are correct. I've posted a significant amount of info regarding this issue. It's about the Constitution and actual codified law, not about "feelings."
Some born in the US have birthright US citizenship; some do not. US-born Native Americans didn't have birthright US citizenship until 1924, when the legislature made a specific legal exception for them. I've posted the current US Nationality Law.
You didn't bother to answer the question, you just keep repeating that the Nationality Law means that the president can ignore the amendment process. That is a filthy lie. The Nationality Law does not replace the 14th Amendment and never has.
It will definitely be a step in the right direction. We need to stop immigrating poverty. Our welfare programs can't handle the load, and if we don't stop immigrating poverty we will end up cutting most of our programs for the poor or near poor.
Unless there is a new secret plan for the extra money I'm unaware of....we need a plan for the future.
We need to adopt a skill-based immigration program. Immigrate what we need, and what will benefit our economy so we can afford our welfare safety net and keep our citizens healthy.
We don't lack sympathy, we lack funds. It's pretty simple mathematics.
You’re talking way too much logical sense for SJWs.
Are you saying we should actually worry and take care about poor American natives before bringing in poor illegal immigrants with America’s limited resources?
Hardly. Presidents have the Constitutional authority to make executive orders. Obama was very good at it too. Then it's up to the courts to decide whether or not those executive orders are Constitutional. It's how it works and how it's suppose to be even though you may not like it.
Presidents do NOT have the authority to unilaterally alter the Constitution itself. Have none of you ever taken any basic government or civics classes?
Who is Trumps legal counsel that blessed this action.
His legal staff at the White House.
If you're confused, perhaps you need to reread CURRENT US Nationality Law, passed in a bipartisan manner by Congress:
Subsections (a) and (b) in the following linked CURRENT Federal Law. If "everyone" born in the US were actually automatically US citizens via the 14th Amendment, subsection (b) would be redundant and would be neither included nor necessary:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property
You need to understand WHY that specific legal exception had to be made for a child of at least one US-born Indian (Native American), Eskimo, Aleutian, and other US aboriginals to understand WHY not all those born in the US are automatically US Citizens.
(Hint: It's because they are born subject to a foreign sovereign entity. So are legal AND illegal aliens' children, but no legal exception has ever been made for them as was made for the US-born children of US-born aboriginals in the Indian Citizenship Act of1924 - LONG after the ratification of the 14th Amendment.)
No such extensions have ever been legally granted to anyone else; not to the children of: tourists, nor those here on temporary visas or other temporary basis, and not illegal aliens. Thus, so-called "anchor babies" are political policy citizens only, not actual legal citizens.
Fed Gov has duped Americans for decades. It's about time we return to the Constitution and the law.
I guess I figured that birthright citizenship is an issue that could unite us. I figured we were, pretty much, all against it, but as I am seeing on this thread, there are some people that are for it. I’m not sure what their reasons could be. I only see the downside, with little to no upside. At least no upside for Americans.
So maybe one of you guys could tell me, if you are FOR birthright citizenship, why?
Finally. The biggest American loophole of all time.
Imagine going to Norway, Japan, or Canada to have a baby and claim citizenship for it. Those countries would laugh out loud as they deported you for visa fraud
Norway, Japan, no. Canada yes. In fact just about every country in the Americas has jus soli citizenship laws including Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil and, of course, the US.
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