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Old 11-17-2018, 11:04 AM
 
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And that is all we hear today about, the shareholders and upper management pay.

I was around when the customer was number one not shareholders and they were rewarded with high quality American made merchandise by many companies that did not even have stocks on wall street.

Fast forward to today, and the customer comes in last with cheap planned obsolescence products made by slave labor in China, so they have to keep coming back and end up paying more in the long run, all so the greedy can get even more of our money.
As a customer, I like it as is. 19" Zenith tv 1970 around $400. $2,615 in 2018 dollars.

https://www.dollartimes.com/inflatio...=400&year=1970

I can get a HD 37" nowfor $150. Twice the screen at under 7% of the Zenith in same 2018 dollars. If I must buy 3 to match how long 1970 model lasted, I am still saving $2,165 vs what the Zenith of old would cost. $2,615 less ( 3 @ $150) = $2,165.

 
Old 11-17-2018, 11:08 AM
 
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Logical fail.

Big difference is that you HAVE to pay taxes, you do NOT have to buy something. See the difference there? Choice as opposed to coercion?
And you refuse to read the rest.
If 95% of the products and services on the market are financialized, then there is really no choice if you want to live. You are going to pay a cut to the greedy on wall street.

It is the same with medical insurance monopoly.
Even before the state got involved, prices were insanely high.
You can go without but good luck paying 300,000 for a surgery out of pocket.

They all have us by the balls.




Your illusion of choice is a fantasy.
 
Old 11-17-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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Logical fail.

Big difference is that you HAVE to pay taxes; you do NOT have to buy something. See the difference there? Choice as opposed to coercion?

If you don't want to fatten the shareholder's pocketbooks, don't buy from that company. Personally, I'd damn sure rather fatten the shareholder's pocketbooks than I would a crooked-as-a-barrel-of-snakes government politician or bureaucrat's coffer. Those shareholders are my fellow citizens; those politicians and bureaucrats are those who would enslave me. It's all about choice, or lack thereof. That is what decides for me who is good and who is bad.
Amen. I can pick which companies I buy from. I cannot pick which taxes I pay.
 
Old 11-17-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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As a customer, I like it as is. 19" Zenith tv 1970 around $400. $2,615 in 2018 dollars.

https://www.dollartimes.com/inflatio...=400&year=1970

I can get a HD 37" nowfor $150. Twice the screen at under 7% of the Zenith in same 2018 dollars. If I must buy 3 to match how long 1970 model lasted, I am still saving $2,165 vs what the Zenith of old would cost. $2,615 less ( 3 @ $150) = $2,165.
Apples and Oranges because that is a dumb comparison.
A 1970 color tv consisted of thousands of resistors, capacitors, tubes and wires all hand assembled while today, there is only one IC chip doing all the work along with a power supply.

All assembled in minutes.
The difference is technology, not labor.


You will be paying 2000 today for that many components if it was made overseas.
 
Old 11-17-2018, 11:14 AM
 
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Apples and Oranges because that is a dumb comparison.
A 1970 color tv consisted of thousands of resistors, capacitors, tubes and wires all hand assembled while today, there is only one IC chip doing all the work along with a power supply.

All assembled in minutes.
Wrong. It is the power of free market capitalism that new inventors created a new way to make a tv, and determined where to make it most efficiently, minimizing labor costs also.

That is all due to Free Market Capitalism.

We did similar stuff on a smaller scale at US corps I have worked at. We minimized labor content to control costs, and sourced materials in the most efficient manner also.
 
Old 11-17-2018, 11:17 AM
 
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Amen. I can pick which companies I buy from. I cannot pick which taxes I pay.
If everyone had a choice to opt out of taxes, the wealthy would be hurt the most.
Not one cent of mine would go to the MIC or for shipping ports or for the interstate system.

It would bring global "free" trade to a crashing halt.
 
Old 11-17-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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If everyone had a choice to opt out of taxes, the wealthy would be hurt the most.
Not one cent of mine would go to the MIC or for shipping ports or for the interstate system.

It would bring global "free" trade to a crashing halt.
I would gladly pay taxes for shipping ports, which enable all Americans to source anything, anywhere.

The men who invented the Uniform Shipping Container should be regarded as a global hero.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4AHcYYkhV4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-ZskaqBshs
 
Old 11-17-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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And you refuse to read the rest.
If 95% of the products and services on the market are financialized, then there is really no choice if you want to live. You are going to pay a cut to the greedy on wall street.

It is the same with medical insurance monopoly.
Even before the state got involved, prices were insanely high.
You can go without but good luck paying 300,000 for a surgery out of pocket.

They all have us by the balls.




Your illusion of choice is a fantasy.
It's the mental slave who sees no alternative. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything you do not wish to buy and nobody is forcing you to have a 300,000 dollar surgery. You consent to that. Or you don't. You choose to immerse yourself in the collective. Or you don't. Don't blame the banker for that. Nobody forced you to do business with him.

There is always someone else to blame with you people, isn't there? The only element common to your failures in life is you. That should be the first thing realized. Realization of that one truth would set you free as a hundred socialist governments could never do.
 
Old 11-17-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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Wrong. It is the power of free market capitalism that new inventors created a new way to make a tv, and determined where to make it most efficiently, minimizing labor costs also.

That is all due to Free Market Capitalism.

We did similar stuff on a smaller scale at US corps I have worked at. We minimized labor content to control costs, and sourced materials in the most efficient manner also.
No, we had capitalism for everyone in this country before corporations purchased politicians on a massive scale and joined up with Communist China to take advantage of labor that has no rights.

The greatest threat this country faces today is the infestation of banking and corporate lobbyists in Washington DC, working only for them and giving everyone else the finger.
 
Old 11-17-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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It's the mental slave who sees no alternative. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything you do not wish to buy and nobody is forcing you to have a 300,000 dollar surgery. You consent to that. Or you don't. You choose to immerse yourself in the collective. Or you don't. Don't blame the banker for that. Nobody forced you to do business with him.
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