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Old 12-11-2018, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Missed the part about how they are used for eye disease and HIV research eh? Not surprised.
Nope. I just think it's morally wrong.
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Old 12-11-2018, 09:35 AM
 
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I agree, but what serious medical conditions have been helped from the result of fetal tissue research?
That's a weird and dishonest question. No medical conditions have been helped from research... until they are. That's the entire purpose of research. Cures and treatments take time to develop.
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Old 12-11-2018, 09:38 AM
 
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Why should governments do the burial?

I don't really see combining fetuses with mouse genes, as bettering mankind.
Just because you don't understand how any of this works does not mean there isn't a real goal in mind. Millions of people are suffering and dying from diseases that are very much potentially curable, but you're okay with that because of the questionable status of some tissue that will simply be discarded otherwise? If you're trying to be moral here, you're failing miserably.
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Old 12-11-2018, 09:39 AM
 
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Nope. I just think it's morally wrong.
So is allowing people to suffer and die because of some vague moral objection to something you don't understand.
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Old 12-11-2018, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Just because you don't understand how any of this works does not mean there isn't a real goal in mind. Millions of people are suffering and dying from diseases that are very much potentially curable, but you're okay with that because of the questionable status of some tissue that will simply be discarded otherwise? If you're trying to be moral here, you're failing miserably.
I do broadly understand how it works, but I just reject the idea that a potential life is just some tissue.

Morality is relative, so saying I fail miserably, has little meaning overall.
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Old 12-11-2018, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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So is allowing people to suffer and die because of some vague moral objection to something you don't understand.
That's your opinion, but can't be shown to be objective.
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Old 12-11-2018, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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https://www.kff.org/news-summary/tru...v-experiments/

This move disrupts two labs. One for research on eye diseases, one for HIV infection research.

Why the sudden sneaky ban on a particular research tool rather than just cutting down overall NIH funding in that area?

Is there something else they want to use fetal tissue for...?
I am not against research...and also not against research using fetal tissue


but I do think it is a very lousy phrase... "acquisition of fetal tissue"...being from a logistics background.. make it sound like someone is ordering a tent
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:34 AM
 
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I do broadly understand how it works, but I just reject the idea that a potential life is just some tissue.

Morality is relative, so saying I fail miserably, has little meaning overall.
But we're not talking about life, we're talking about tissue that will never be a life. In that context, it's no different than using sperm or an egg, or stem cells. And isn't there a wee bit of a contradiction in projecting your morality on the sanctity of life while not considering all those who will suffer and/or die because you don't think research into those diseases is important?
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:36 AM
 
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That's your opinion, but can't be shown to be objective.
It's an objective fact that tens of millions of people around the world suffer and die from the medical issues and diseases that such research is meant to find solutions for.
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Old 12-11-2018, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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It can aid scientists in finding cures. What's the purpose of just discarding the fetal tissue in the rubbish bin?

I thought we were done buying and selling people.

Yeah, yeah, I know the Court declared fetuses non-persons back in 1973...

I thought we might be done with that kinda nazi **** too.
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