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When people are prosecuted for crimes, the prosecution and judge base a lot on 'intention.' Intention is often used as a criminal defense, or for lighter sentencing or for acquittal. Correct?
None of these young adults came her intentionally. You are asking them to pay for the 'sins of their fathers.' Shall we ask everyone in America to do that--pay for their parents' sins?
Intention may be used to mitigate punishment for an offense but is never justification to allow one to continue offending. For instance, if you get caught trespassing in a restricted zone, let's say you walk into a non-public area of the airport, you may not be penalized if you can show that it wasn't your intent to trespass but that won't allow you to remain in the restricted area.
No one is seeking to blame or prosecute the Dreamers for being here illegally- they just can't continue to be here illegally.
Yes, in fact most of them are not! It's BS that our side doesn't see these so-called Dreamers as humans either. But humans break laws and they should not benefit from their parent's law breaking either. How is it fair to immigrants who come here the right way to allow these Dreamers to not have go back home and follow the legal path also? It sets a precedence that all you have to do is sneak your kids across our border and they will be home free. Sending them home with their parents (no separation of families then) is not treating them like garbage either. Since when is enforcing any of our laws treating law breakers as garbage?
We don't need the competition for jobs and resources against Americans from 1.8 million Dreamers either. There parents have already taken millions of jobs from Americans. Where is the compassion for American families who have been negatively impacted in many ways by illegal immigration? The pro-illegals have no right to take the moral high ground here and demonize those of us who merely want our immigration laws respected and enforced and not reward them or their kids for not doing so.
If American citizens truly wanted the immigration laws enforced, they would never re elect anybody.
Americans want cheap labor and cheap goods.
Some Americans think we can save and support the whole world.
He misses the whole point, either innocently or deliberately, that it is not just about catching illegals entering but how they are handled afterwards. Once in our custody they suddenly have "rights".
We don't have the facilities to detain that many. Even if we did, our courts have put up roadblocks like limiting detention of minors to 20 days and blocking spearation of minors from parents. Catch and release doesn't deter illegal immigration and rewards the illegal entrant by giving them exactly what they want. The wall is intended to deter illegal immigration *attempts* and stop them before getting caught by CBP.
Combining this smart wall idea with measures like mandatory eVerify and large fines for businesses who do hire, which will mean that many dont even come in the first place, will likely be sufficient. The Wall is still a silly boondoggle since it's such an expensive solution to be so fervently trying to implement when cheaper and more efficient methods havent been put in first.
If American citizens truly wanted the immigration laws enforced, they would never re elect anybody.
Americans want cheap labor and cheap goods.
Some Americans think we can save and support the whole world.
Don't stereotype most Americans. Many if not most of us want the rule of law to prevail. That cheap labor and goods aren't so cheap after all when you factor in the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us not to mention the other problems they bring to our country.
We try to elect politicians who want the rule of law to prevail and all you can do is go by their track records. Still some turn into traitors once elected though. Erecting the wall will eliminate a lot of the problem in the first place if illegals can't get in here and the politicians can't cater to them nor will the employers be able to hire them.
Intention may be used to mitigate punishment for an offense but is never justification to allow one to continue offending. For instance, if you get caught trespassing in a restricted zone, let's say you walk into a non-public area of the airport, you may not be penalized if you can show that it wasn't your intent to trespass but that won't allow you to remain in the restricted area.
No one is seeking to blame or prosecute the Dreamers for being here illegally- they just can't continue to be here illegally.
Nor should they be legalized on our soil for the reasons I have mentioned. They need to go back home with their parents and apply to come back the legal way after they wait their turn in line.
Don't stereotype most Americans. Many if not most of us want the rule of law to prevail. That cheap labor and goods aren't so cheap after all when you factor in the over $100 billion a year that illegal aliens cost us not to mention the other problems they bring to our country.
We try to elect politicians who want the rule of law to prevail and all you can do is go by their track records. Still some turn into traitors once elected though. Erecting the wall will eliminate a lot of the problem in the first place if illegals can't get in here and the politicians can't cater to them nor will the employers be able to hire them.
Just because crazy old coots cowering under their beds in fear of brown-skinned bogeymen repeat a lie over and over again doesn’t make any less untrue. And the $100 billion figure is most certainly a bald-faced lie. So why repeat it?
Combining this smart wall idea with measures like mandatory eVerify and large fines for businesses who do hire, which will mean that many dont even come in the first place, will likely be sufficient. The Wall is still a silly boondoggle since it's such an expensive solution to be so fervently trying to implement when cheaper and more efficient methods havent been put in first.
It would not be sufficient. I don't know what official stats say but in my firsthand experience living in an area with large illegal population, at least half if not more work for cash and would be unaffected by e-Verify. All the private individuals who hire them for landscaping or housekeeping or personal care are not hiring them as employees. And don't think for a second that the meathouses and assembly lines and farms won't find loopholes and workarounds.
It would not be sufficient. I don't know what official stats say but in my firsthand experience living in an area with large illegal population, at least half if not more work for cash and would be unaffected by e-Verify. All the private individuals who hire them for landscaping or housekeeping or personal care are not hiring them as employees. And don't think for a second that the meathouses and assembly lines and farms won't find loopholes and workarounds.
Your opinion of how it would play out, fine, but its asinine to not even try these other measures first and see the results instead of jumping to the boondoggle.
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