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Old 12-29-2018, 09:44 AM
 
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Of course the words do nothing.

Two men are sitting in a room (me and you). Another man enters and tells us that this wand (he holds it up) is magic and can make anything in the world happen if you believe in it. He exits leaving the wand to us.

We both know this isn't true yet one of us pretends it is and picks up the wand to begin "correcting" all that is "wrong" in the world.

I sit there and simply refuse to play pretend with you. Your response? Not only do you get mad at me but you proceed to boss me around because the magic wand has that power...according to the rules of the pretend game.

Don't be surprised when the non-players don't play pretend.
You forgot that he would put a gun on your head and force you to play. And he would squeeze the trigger happily if you refuse.
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Old 12-29-2018, 09:49 AM
 
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Of course the words do nothing.

Two men are sitting in a room (me and you). Another man enters and tells us that this wand (he holds it up) is magic and can make anything in the world happen if you believe in it. He exits leaving the wand to us.

We both know this isn't true yet one of us pretends it is and picks up the wand to begin "correcting" all that is "wrong" in the world.

I sit there and simply refuse to play pretend with you. Your response? Not only do you get mad at me but you proceed to boss me around because the magic wand has that power...according to the rules of the pretend game.

Don't be surprised when the non-players don't play pretend.
I've not stated anything that isn't true. I support people not playing. I would have liked to have seen everyone get a yellow vest for Christmas.
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Old 12-29-2018, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I've not stated anything that isn't true. I support people not playing. I would have liked to have seen everyone get a yellow vest for Christmas.
I could ask you directly if the social contract is legitimate, morally and logically.

You do realize that if I do there's no way out of that answer, right?
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Old 12-29-2018, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You forgot that he would put a gun on your head and force you to play. And he would squeeze the trigger happily if you refuse.
Some believe if they delegate the action of gun-to-head then they aren't culpable.
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Old 12-29-2018, 11:02 AM
 
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I could ask you directly if the social contract is legitimate, morally and logically.
And I would say that I have no clue what you are talking about.

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You do realize that if I do there's no way out of that answer, right?
It's meaningless. A vague nothing of a question. It means nothing. A t-shirt or bumper sticker slogan.
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Old 12-29-2018, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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And I would say that I have no clue what you are talking about.



It's meaningless. A vague nothing of a question. It means nothing. A t-shirt or bumper sticker slogan.
I'm asking you if you believe in the moral and logical paradigm known as the social contract?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
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Old 12-29-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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I'm asking you if you believe in the moral and logical paradigm known as the social contract?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract
Everyone but extreme Anarchists do.

In both moral and political philosophy, the social contract is a theory or model that originated during the Age of Enlightenment and usually concerns the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler (or to the decision of a majority) in exchange for protection of their remaining rights.

It's been noted that Libertarians believe it's OK for the government to protect property rights. You are restricting my ability to expand my empire and using the government to do that.
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Old 12-29-2018, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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Everyone but extreme Anarchists do.

In both moral and political philosophy, the social contract is a theory or model that originated during the Age of Enlightenment and usually concerns the legitimacy of the authority of the state over the individual.[1] Social contract arguments typically posit that individuals have consented, either explicitly or tacitly, to surrender some of their freedoms and submit to the authority of the ruler (or to the decision of a majority) in exchange for protection of their remaining rights.

It's been noted that Libertarians believe it's OK for the government to protect property rights. You are restricting my ability to expand my empire and using the government to do that.
That's your magic wand.

And that's your pacifier to avoid the unpleasantness of realizing you force others to do things on your behalf. Because we all know what the actual word is when one forces another to act against their will don't we? But if we hold up the Emperors new pantyhose (Social contract) and demand by the power of Grayskull, that person or persons X do this act for the benefit of society it's not that word.
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Old 12-29-2018, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Itinerant
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It's more likely more about this ...



https://access.ewu.edu/caps/selfhelp...e/distortthink
Since you can't or won't acknowledge the color red, or can't or won't hear frequencies above 20kHz. Your trotting out of your pop psych list of distortions is entirely useless don't you? It's an appeal to authority which is always a poor debate strategy, and is dependent on your perception being the correct perception, which I believe is on your list of distorted thinking is it not?

We all perceive things through our lenses of perception, the trick is to determine whose lens is less distorted from actual. Majority plays no part in that determination, because majority is most frequently wrong, fools seldom differing is the almost ubiquitous outcome, NOT, great minds thinking alike.
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Old 12-29-2018, 12:45 PM
 
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That's your magic wand.

And that's your pacifier to avoid the unpleasantness of realizing you force others to do things on your behalf. Because we all know what the actual word is when one forces another to act against their will don't we? But if we hold up the Emperors new pantyhose (Social contract) and demand by the power of Grayskull, that person or persons X do this act for the benefit of society it's not that word.
I'd expect better arguments out of a moderator. Granted, that might be my mistake.
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