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I understand the whole "if you work hard and pick yourself up by your bootstraps, anyone can make it." There is some truth to that. But are we really going to pretend like some people in this country don't have it W-A-Y easier than others?
The median net worth in the US is $44,900 per adult. Half have more, half have less. 80% of US millionaires (net worth) are first-generation wealthy. 80%
I don't agree with many of his policies, but I agree with your point above.
I don't really care for Sanders in the arena as President... He never took responsibility for "distributing the vote" and the inability or lack of concern to bring his followers to support the Democratic Nominee.
Republican on the other hand, even those that did not care for Trump, brought their followers into the vote for Trump, because he was the Republican Nominee.
Sanders, sit back gloating because some of his people decided not to vote for the Democratic Nominees, since it was not him. Besides he stayed in the arena too long, after the Democratic Nominee was chose, and forgot or did not care, that he "rode on the Democratic Platform" because he knew as an Independent he did not have strong enough platform. He should have merged his Democratic positions with the Democratic Nominee and understood that in a Democratic Administration he could have either pursued a cabinet position or function from where he is, to back and support those ideas within the Democratic Administration.
America is never going to elect Sanders as President.. He is a better player on select issue, such as Medicare for All, and Education Accessibility with lowered cost, and making Community Colleges again a no cost items as it once was. He is too far left on some items that his followers want to promote, where as Hillary was more a moderate on many items that could have gained support on both sides of the aisles than would the whole of Sanders agenda.
Sanders did a good job awakening the young people to politics, and he did a good job awakening the people who had neglected and avoided politics... If he's accepted the value of that achievement, and moved the people to support the Democratic Nominee he would have been further toward seeing some of his agenda items developed and promoted in and through the Administration.
Many people knew the Republican slants at Hillary, goes all the way back to the Clinton Presidency, when she became the first, First Lady to challenge the Male Dominated Republican Congress and Senate, when she challenged them on Health Care... They resented it... because it was never done by a woman and it was never done by a woman who was in the position of First Lady. Sanders knew this, and in knowing it, he should have been more a counter point to Republicans push against her, by re-affirming her history of work, and making people aware of why such opposition was set to try and paint her negatively. along with the fact, many people in America still have not come to terms to want America to have a Female President.
The people who followed political history, also knew the Benghazi spin was a plan set forth two years ahead to tarnish Hillary, that's why it spun and proved nothing that was not known, and what was found out it was the Republican Congress that had the position to fund for security.
I've lived in the real world and know this. There are some truly needy people in society, but it's a very small number, maybe 5%. The rest are just lazy or stupid. You wouldn't believe the number of Americans who turn down opportunities for higher paying jobs because "I don't want to work longer hours" or "It's not located in a trendy city."
Let me give an example. I know someone who works 2 part-time minimum-wage jobs and is a Bernie Sanders supporter. His mom told me that 1 of his jobs recently offered him a promotion to be a salaried manager. He turned it down because he is afraid that he might have to work longer shifts if he has a full-time job. Now of course he'll vote Bernie Sanders and complain that we all need to redistribute wealth to him because there are no good jobs available.
By the way, did you know that having a car loan is a choice? Most poor people don't know that.
What makes you think I will want someone else to wipe my butt? Furthermore, increasing the welfare class WON'T pay the US's bills or debt. It's a recipe for massive societal failure.
Use a condom, which are cheap or free (public health departments), each and every time. They are 98% effective at preventing pregnancy when used correctly AND they prevent the spread of STDs.
you either have an elitist mentality or something, because every post is a degradation of poor people, and its easily to see the undertone ethnicity slants in what you say, because it parrots what Right Wing media continually spews out. The obsession with money, based on the fact you dislike paying taxes, but more so dislike taxes helping anyone you don't want to see be helped.
there is no Utopia... and yes... people would benefit better if all society was educated to a better level, but you have to look at history... and realize... every generation the education level of people increase and its not a "flip a switch" situations, it is a process that moves with the changes of the times and its always been and will be "incremental".
you never speak about "why" and "how" the disparities became to be in society, which goes way back... to the types that came to American, to the system of slavery, to the systems of segregation and the systems of ethnic bias and bigotry, that was not limited to just blacks, it was periods where such as Irish people, Polish People, Japanese People, Chinese People, and people from many places around the world were discriminated against, prejudices pushed and promoted and dimensional levels of segregation's... and this translated into various groups seizing various jobs and job sectors and freezing others out. In some area, if a person was not Polish they were not getting on a Fire Department, and in some areas if a person was not Irish, there were certainly job sectors they'd freeze others out, and across all these various groups freezing out others, they all collective and individual froze out anyone with brown a skin, especially blacks....
This is all within the history of America. As to the capability of people... even when blacks were not allowed to read, they designed, created and managed many processes within many fields and did so with levels of expertise. So... that tells the human being, can do many things and things can be done without the label of a degree following their name.
As to the delusional ignorance spewed in this site by some, about 'wealth redistribution"... NO ONE has advocated such... !!!! the point that was and is advocated is: RE-INVEST IN AMERICA" and do so where the Investment pays a living wage !!!!
you either have an elitist mentality or something, because every post is a degradation of poor people, and its easily to see the undertone ethnicity slants in what you say, because it parrots what Right Wing media continually spews out. The obsession with money, based on the fact you dislike paying taxes, but more so dislike taxes helping anyone you don't want to see be helped.
there is no Utopia... and yes... people would benefit better if all society was educated to a better level, but you have to look at history... and realize... every generation the education level of people increase and its not a "flip a switch" situations, it is a process that moves with the changes of the times and its always been and will be "incremental".
you never speak about "why" and "how" the disparities became to be in society, which goes way back... to the types that came to American, to the system of slavery, to the systems of segregation and the systems of ethnic bias and bigotry, that was not limited to just blacks, it was periods where such as Irish people, Polish People, Japanese People, Chinese People, and people from many places around the world were discriminated against, prejudices pushed and promoted and dimensional levels of segregation's... and this translated into various groups seizing various jobs and job sectors and freezing others out. In some area, if a person was not Polish they were not getting on a Fire Department, and in some areas if a person was not Irish, there were certainly job sectors they'd freeze others out, and across all these various groups freezing out others, they all collective and individual froze out anyone with brown a skin, especially blacks....
This is all within the history of America. As to the capability of people... even when blacks were not allowed to read, they designed, created and managed many processes within many fields and did so with levels of expertise. So... that tells the human being, can do many things and things can be done without the label of a degree following their name.
As to the delusional ignorance spewed in this site by some, about 'wealth redistribution"... NO ONE has advocated such... !!!! the point that was and is advocated is: RE-INVEST IN AMERICA" and do so where the Investment pays a living wage !!!!
Do we still have these problems today? Oh, we do, if you are Asian, you won’t be allowed to enter top universities or large companies, but yet Asians are the most successful ethic group in America.
you either have an elitist mentality or something, because every post is a degradation of poor people, and its easily to see the undertone ethnicity slants in what you say, because it parrots what Right Wing media continually spews out. The obsession with money, based on the fact you dislike paying taxes, but more so dislike taxes helping anyone you don't want to see be helped.
Stating the fact that increasing the welfare population will result in massive societal failure isn't degradation. It's truth. The welfare class doesn't pay enough in taxes to pay for the cost of Fed Gov and its debt, while (currently) taking over $800 billion/year in means-tested welfare programs and benefits in the process, which will only increase over time. You do the math.
Let's look at this mathematically... The bottom 50% pays 3% of the federal income tax revenue (source: IRS), and the welfare class takes 20% of annual federal spending via means-tested public assistance programs. How does increasing the welfare class via a 3 times higher birth rate and importing millions of uneducated, no/low-skill immigrants work out, mathematically, in anything other than massive societal failure? 48% of all US annual births are paid by Medicaid, the free means-tested public assistance health care program for the poor. 48%. That's NOT a mistake.
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Let's look at this mathematically... The bottom 50% pays 3% of the federal income tax revenue (source: IRS), and the welfare class takes 20% of annual federal spending via means-tested public assistance programs. How does increasing the welfare class via a 3 times higher birth rate and importing millions of uneducated, no/low-skill immigrants work out, mathematically, in anything other than massive societal failure? 48% of all US annual births are paid by Medicaid, the free means-tested public assistance health care program for the poor. 48%. That's NOT a mistake.
Your assumption is we live in a caste system style country where you die in the class you were born in; that's not the case for a lot of people......
Your assumption is we live in a caste system style country where you die in the class you were born in; that's not the case for a lot of people......
No, my assumption is that as the welfare class increases compared to everyone else, the cost to artificially financially support them will become unsustainable. Total federal income tax revenue is $1.6 trillion/year. The bottom 50% paid $48 billion of that, while the welfare class (about 22% of the population) took $800 billion/year in means-tested public assistance program benefits. Expanding the welfare class under such circumstances is mathematically unsustainable and a recipe for massive societal failure.
In addition to the 48% of US births/year paid by Medicaid, 52.1% of children in the US live in a household that receives one or more forms of means-tested public assistance.
No, my assumption is that as the welfare class increases compared to everyone else, the cost to artificially financially support them will become unsustainable. Total federal income tax revenue is $1.6 trillion/year. The bottom 50% paid $48 billion of that, while the welfare class (about 22% of the population) took $800 billion/year in means-tested public assistance program benefits. Expanding the welfare class under such circumstances is mathematically unsustainable and a recipe for massive societal failure.
In addition to the 48% of US births/year paid by Medicaid, 52.1% of children in the US live in a household that receives one or more forms of means-tested public assistance.
It’s not about the math. It’s about they hating people having more money than them.
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