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Is it too soon to worry about October 1st, when ALL the federal agencies will again be on the hook for funding. What temper tantrum will we all be hostage to at that point?
That is the big question. If Trump doesn't get something out of the wall this time, he will certainly hold the government hostage on a larger scale next time (the full government). Although, if he gets his desired outcome, certainly more money will be needed, and the indefinite shutting down of the government could set a precedent and there could be an even bigger (more historic government shutdown) at the next budget decision. Either way, it is scary/unstable times in Washington for federal workers.
A pox on both houses. For the President getting done his signature campaign promise which separated him from the Republican also ran Presidential candidates is worth a new issue for the political media class to bash him on. For the professional Democratic leadership it is better to resist and obstruct so President Trump can't claim a win. That alone is worth the temporary hurt done to the federal labor union worker and government service consumer. With the implied promise that if we win down the line not only will they get paid back but we will take more of other people's money to give to you.
This concept of the inviolable campaign promise is always interesting. What if the campaign promise relates to an issue that (per the below post) is "poorly conceived and poorly planned ..." You make a reference to "other people's money." Should we spend our tax dollars to fund a project that the President cannot adequately describe (hey, it's a "wall") much less plan simply because a candidate got onto some stage and voiced words that led some Americans but hardly all - in this case, not even a majority - to vote for him?
What if the project violates the rights of other Americans for arguably no national benefit - the impact on the Texas border, which is why so many down there oppose it?
Sure, I could see you saying that he has an obligation to try, which I personally would then morph into planning and negotiating. But is there some inherent obligation that his will come to pass?
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Originally Posted by CraigCreek
Apples and oranges. Surrendering to Trump's pet project, poorly conceived and poorly planned and clumsy and time consuming as it is, has nothing to do - or should have nothing to do - with keeping the government shut down for one man's ego. Despite his recent comments about his "absolute right", he is not the emperor of the United States. Shoot, America hasn't even had a king since George III, and even he didn't have absolute powers, not even over the American colonies way back when. But it was his assumption of unwarranted power that led to his ousting from these shores, and Trump would do well to learn by his example.
Lots of comments on this forum that opposition is only about "defying" Trump. But what if the converse is true (your second bold). What if Trump is about getting this done mainly because HE wants to "claim a win." Per the above, is THAT a good enough reason?
Every day that goes by, this shutdown gets worse and worse for him.
This will be a HUGE test for Donald's ego: does he "hold strong" and let the shutdown continue for weeks more, and watch his already low approval ratings continue to sink?
Or does he cave, reopen the govt without wall funding, and look weak with his base?
Haven't read much of this thread and I am sure someone ese also said it is NOT Trump's gov't shutdown.
It is shumer's and pelosi's because they REFUSE to sit down and negotiate.
What's happening behind the scenes is not known. There are, however, leaks that Pence and Kushner are engaging in shuttle diplomacy. They obtain "nibbles of interest" from Democrats for proposals that Trump immediately shoots down.
Our Leader Is Holding Firm.
Edited to add: Upon reflection, this is one of the problems with Trump. That man does not know how to deal. He goes from one extreme (the caving in to Senate Republicans last spring that brought the fury of the base down onto him) TO an intransigence that he, no doubt, defines as strength. Too bad, he doesn't have that tool in his skill set for it is integral to a chief executive on the national stage working within the confines of the Constitution. Not so much maybe for a family-owned real estate business where he could bully at will.
Every day that goes by, this shutdown gets worse and worse for him.
This will be a HUGE test for Donald's ego: does he "hold strong" and let the shutdown continue for weeks more, and watch his already low approval ratings continue to sink?
Or does he cave, reopen the govt without wall funding, and look weak with his base?
Trump has never been concerned with the liberal media polls or approval ratings. He's having a nice breakfast this morning and practicing his putting. It's the Dems that are screaming and moaning loader each day. Pelosi and Schumer have been in hiding.
trump has never been concerned with the liberal media polls or approval ratings. he's having a nice breakfast this morning and practicing his putting. It's the dems that are screaming and moaning loader each day. Pelosi and schumer have been in hiding.
Every day that goes by, this shutdown gets worse and worse for him.
This will be a HUGE test for Donald's ego: does he "hold strong" and let the shutdown continue for weeks more, and watch his already low approval ratings continue to sink?
Or does he cave, reopen the govt without wall funding, and look weak with his base?
Trump is not worried about polls/approval rating related to the shutdown. He would be fine if his approval ratings hit rock bottom because of the shutdown. He does not like federal government workers, so he views this whole situation as a win-win. Either he gets what he wants in the wall or he gets to stick it to federal government workers by keeping the government shutdown.
That is the big question. If Trump doesn't get something out of the wall this time, he will certainly hold the government hostage on a larger scale next time (the full government). Although, if he gets his desired outcome, certainly more money will be needed, and the indefinite shutting down of the government could set a precedent and there could be an even bigger (more historic government shutdown) at the next budget decision. Either way, it is scary/unstable times in Washington for federal workers.
That's my concern. You give into someone being unrealistic or don't force them to negotiate, you will never get it. That's no way to run government no matter who is in office. I'm sure the republicans are all cool with it right now, but they certainly wouldn't be if that was being tried by a Democratic president. Be careful what you wish for.
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