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Old 01-18-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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I heard someone from NASA say that they are really worried about how this government shutdown era, and specifically this historic shutdown, will affect recruiting at NASA. The spokesperson was saying that they have some of the best and brightest applicants interested in careers, but many would likely be hesitant now. There was a NASA scientist who is an engineer with a PhD and was saying that it would be hard for her to recommend a career at NASA to a person starting their career.
For NASA, probably better than the alternative. There aren't that many places for those types of people to work that isn't federally funded or regulated. So Congress affects those jobs no matter where they work. Maybe next time NASA is funded but the other labs aren't.

Or if they work in private sector for say Boeing, they can fail regulation or stockholder tests and be shut down or relocated.
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Well if the worker is forced to keep working without a paycheck they should certainly be paid once the budget is approved.



If the worker is on a salary and is sent home through no fault of their own they should be paid.



The real fault lies in the Democrat leaders that are refusing to talk about common sense border security. Where was Pelosi and others when the shutdown began? They went to Puerto Rico to hang out on the beach. Nice.



The workers are not to blame and they are the ones suffering while the politicians continue to get paid and go about their lives. That should speak volumes about who they are.
Remember that Trump had two years to push his agenda at will.
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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since you like to compare federal employment to private sector employment so much.....






isn't that illegal in private sector? To pay late wages without any kind of repercussion or penalty?
Usually, yes. It’s called late fee. I agree those who worked during the shut down should get their pay back with a late fee attached.
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Usually, yes. It’s called late fee. I agree those who worked during the shut down should get their pay back with a late fee attached.
late fees = double pay


Fair enough.


Non-essential (furloughed) employees don't get pay for the hours they did not work after the govt reopens.
Essential (non-furloughed) employees get pay double for the hours they worked after the govt reopens.




https://www.zumapay.com/single-post/...mployees-late/


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A willful nonpayment essentially means that the employer knew it was failing to pay its employees by the required date. It either knew that it was in violation of the FLSA or it wasn’t considering whether it may be violating the FLSA. With a willful nonpayment, the employer must pay liquidated damages to the employee, with the liquidated damages being equal to the amount that the employer didn’t pay on time. This penalty is in place so employers don’t withhold employee pay.


For example, let’s say that you have cashflow problems and you end up paying an employee one week late. Since a late payment is treated the same as a nonpayment in the eyes of the law and you willfully didn’t pay your employee, you would owe that employee another paycheck for an equal amount to cover the liquidated damages. If you hadn’t paid your employee anything yet, you would owe them two paychecks. As you can see, late payments can become very costly for your business.
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:41 PM
 
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late fees = double pay


Fair enough.


Non-essential (furloughed) employees don't get pay for the hours they did not work after the govt reopens.
Essential (non-furloughed) employees get pay double for the hours they worked after the govt reopens.




https://www.zumapay.com/single-post/...mployees-late/
Late fee is typically a small percentage of the amount, between 2-5% per month.
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Late fee is typically a small percentage of the amount, between 2-5% per month.
according to whom?

you or FLSA?
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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according to whom?

you or FLSA?
General practice in the private sector. Typically it’s agreed upon before two parties start to do business together.
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Old 01-18-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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General practice in the private sector. Typically it’s agreed upon before two parties start to do business together.
so private sectors can ignore FLSA?

You sure you are a "business owner" like you claimed earlier?
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:25 PM
 
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so private sectors can ignore FLSA?

You sure you are a "business owner" like you claimed earlier?
Go ask around. No intention to continue this silly argument.

Paying late fee is a common practice in the business world. Even your phone bill has that.
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Old 01-18-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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Um, it is the taxpayers' fault, as we vote these people into office. Now, I didn't vote for Trump, but the way our government functions means he is the president for all of this. He speaks for the taxpayers, and he made this choice. (Full disclosure--I think it was a bad decision of EPIC proportions!)





The moral justification is that federal workers are employed in service to the country. They have no control over a shut-down. And consider that without pay, many would need government services to make ends meet, which is a cost to the taxpayers.


sure tax payers vote but non tax payers also get a say unfortunately. Lets change this first then. Can you imagine if I came into your house and told you that im taking your money cause its gonna make things more fair.
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