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View Poll Results: Who does the money you have legally earned belong to?
The society 3 2.22%
The government 10 7.41%
You 117 86.67%
I don’t know. 5 3.70%
Voters: 135. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-27-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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Simple question.
Money is literally a societal promise made between members of that society and the government. It literally has no intrinsic value except what we agreed it has. The notion that your “money” has any value outside of that society is laughable. Yet here you are talking about “your money”. It is literally like you don’t understand the basics of economics at all.
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Everything I earned is mine.

I don't know about any "legalities" because I've never signed any contracts agreeing to any laws.
By living in the United States you agree to the terms and conditions, just like posting on this board. You don't need to sign an implied contract.
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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I agree that we are social animals and need to work together and live in societies to survive. I disagree that what you earn belongs to anyone else simply by living near them.

If I ask you to mow my lawn for $100, you happily agree, mow my lawn, and I give you $100, some other person can't come along and claim a right to some of that $100. The agreement was between you and I, and the transaction is now completely over.

Many will claim that you owe "society" because "society" provides things and you are paying "society" back. First, unless they can provide a specific example of a good or service you chose to use and didn't pay for - which does NOT include goods or services given to you when you never requested or wanted in the first place - then you have no obligation to give them money. They're trying to overcomplicate things to the point where you think you owe them something you actually don't.

Second, it means nothing to owe "society". You owe the person or people who you agreed to pay for a good or service. End of transaction. You don't owe some vague amount of money to some vague collective of people in addition to that. You already held up your end of the bargain.
And what about the people who not only pay ZERO FEDERAL TAXES, but get more out than they take in?
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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The government levies taxes to pay its bills. The fact that we have a $22 trillion National Debt is proof not enough taxes have been collected.
Or too much is being spent?
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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Simple question.
If there is no electricity, it doesnt belong to anyone.
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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By living in the United States you agree to the terms and conditions, just like posting on this board. You don't need to sign an implied contract.
Give me $100...and a pineapple.

It's in our implied contract.

*flashes a shiny badge*
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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And what about the people who not only pay ZERO FEDERAL TAXES, but get more out than they take in?
Solution: no forced entry.

Down?
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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You have a very interesting take on living in a modern society.

Luckily for all of us (including you), that isn't how it works. It's a special kind of irony when someones existence and prosperity depends on the very thing they go through life bitterly opposed to.
Yes, I don't believe in preordained armed robbery in the hopes of preventing future armed robbery.
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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The government levies taxes to pay its bills. The fact that we have a $22 trillion National Debt is proof not enough taxes have been collected.
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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So I guess you don't pay taxes of any kind? Do you live on a deserted island?
I pay taxes the same way I'd pay the mafia if they came to my door demanding payment for their protection, or a mugger that flashes the gun in their belt and asks for my wallet.

The thing is, I would definitely pay for some of the things taxes currently pay for. I just advocate that the same rules apply to the government that apply to anyone else...you can't just force your services on people and send them a bill.
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