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It should belong squarely to the people who earned it. Think of it, if we didn't have to pay an income tax, then our overbloated government wouldn't have the funds to cause endless wars that destroy people's lives while making the industrial military complex very wealthy.
11 people have totally unacceptable answers. The only correct answer is the money YOU earn is yours. Deciding that it belongs to society or the government is socialist or even communist thought. Saying you don’t know is almost as bad. In a Capitalist society we earn money for OURSELVES. The work we do, things we sell or service we provide is done for our own profit. This is how free capitalist Americans think. How could anyone grow up here and think anything different.
This does not mean I believe in not paying taxes. We have infrastructure and national defense that must be payed for. Taxes are an expense we all have, that does not mean our earnings belong to the government. We pay a light bill too, does that mean our money belongs to the electric company? Obviously no.
What a stupid question. You pay your electric bill every month, don't you? Does that mean your money doesn't belong to you? Your mortgage, your phone bill, the cable bill, the insurance... you pay your bills, right? Taxes are just another bill.
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The first sentence of the Constitution might help answer that for you:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Also, sticking "at gunpoint" next to everything government related isn't fooling anyone. Supporting a government to oversee society isn't a radical liberal idea. Not supporting it is radical
lifeexplorer thinks that Irwin Schiff (the tax dodger who rightfully died in prison) was just a misunderstood hero lol
Try as you might, the law of the land does not require your approval. It has my approval, and the approval of the majority, whether you personally like it or not. That is the consent they are referring to, not each individual person.
If what you are suggesting were actually true, shouldn't they have gotten everyone elses signature before declaring a war that killed thousands of Americans who never signed anything themselves?
Sorry if you don't like it, but that's how it is, and will always be, and it isn't wrong
Really?
The are referring to the consent of the majority? But only 40-45% Of the colonial population supported the patriots? Had they meant the majority, there would be no USA.
Of course it's wrong, how can it not be? Was the extermination of the Native Americans wrong? Not according to you. Nor was the Holocaust, nor was slavery. If you're logically consistent. However you're not, you're not even consistent in your own arguments, nor logical.
Take this...
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Originally Posted by rabaman
Government has always existed. First it was the tribal elders deciding where to hunt. Then nomadic tribes learned to farm and formed the first settlements. This led to the specialization of labor and invention of currency for trade between people of different specialties and giving rise to more complex political structures.
You're either conflating society with government, or you've morphed the legitimacy of government as coming from God to government being God. Government has never existed, it's an abstract concept that a small number of people are responsible for the management of the many. Which in itself isn't good or bad, however what is bad is that it demands powers that are not inherent in the people who allegedly imbue the government with power. How's that work? How can you give a power to a government, the government says you don't have?
Are you equating the government with society itself?
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So government existed before humans?
Government is the subset of society that has authority over and sets the rules for everyone else. It has existed in some form for as long as people have had to work/live together. Really, do you think you've set some logical trap here or something?
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All we’re really doing is applying the same societal rules to government as are applied to everyone else. Defensive force is the only justified use of force. Don’t initiate force or violate property rights, or you’ve just become the criminal.
As I said earlier, taxes are either redundant because people already want to pay for X by choice, or they’re tyrannical because people are being forced to pay for things they don’t want.
Where are you getting this notion from? Societal rules are set by the government, that is literally the definition and purpose for its existence. Property rights are a construct of the government and would not exist without it.
Criminals are people who have broken the laws set by government. You are just redefining words to suite your individualistic take on life. But you can't co-op concepts created by government in an argument against the existence of government.
Government is the subset of society that has authority over and sets the rules for everyone else. It has existed in some form for as long as people have had to work/live together. Really, do you think you've set some logical trap here or something?
Where are you getting this notion from? Societal rules are set by the government, that is literally the definition and purpose for its existence. Property rights are a construct of the government and would not exist without it.
Criminals are people who have broken the laws set by government. You are just redefining words to suite your individualistic take on life. But you can't co-op concepts created by government in an argument against the existence of government.
So in your opinion, the people follow the government, not the government the people.
Wow, that's some messed up thinking.
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Your name is Rabaman and you are slave. You own nothing, not even your internal organs, nor your thoughts.
So then you agree, the US Government is illegitimate, and we should answer to the Parliament of Westminster. Since they set the rules. Thus since 1776 the US has been a criminal enterprise.
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