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Originally Posted by Grlzrl
Kamala Harris has said she supports Medicare for all (cost estimate $32 TRILLION) and abolishing ICE (compared them to the KKK). So, how exactly will that work? Import tons of new illegals and make Americans who work for a living pay for their healthcare? Sounds fair to me. What do you think?
Abolishing ICE doesn't mean not having an immigration agency. For most of us, we just want INS back, the way it was pre-9/11
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Getting a little carried away, here.
The GDP of the entire US is 17 trillion - that means you could buy every good and product made in America during one year for 17 trillion.
FWIW, the GDP of the entire world is around 65 trillion. Yes, America accounts for 1/4 of the GDP of the entire world.
So M4A could not possibly cost that much - at least not in one year.
That $32 trillion is the 10 year cost, or $3.2 trillion per year. Opponents of single payer healthcare like to throw out the 10 year number to mislead people. In fact, it would be less than is spent on healthcare now ($4.5 trillion per year)
1. abolishing ICE doesnt mean open borders. I dont know why you folks on the right make this idiotic claim that the left wants open borders. Thats nonsense. And trying to make that argument takes away a lot of the legitimacy of any post that mentions it.
2. Medicare for all would cost X is pretty much nonsense. People need healthcare-the actual cost of it doesn't matter as long as it costs less then the current method. And right now the current method has insurance agencies taking a profit, and massive inefficiency dealing with them. Other countries that pay for it all? It costs them HALF per person then what it costs us. HALF. And they have comparable outcomes. Medicare is one method of doing this. Plus your idiotic number is for 10 years of it! And more importantly.....that number is a pretty wild guess. It assumes some things such as lowered rates-that might not occur, and doesn't take into account the savings from removing tons of insurance people. The figure could be considerably higher or lower. Guessing the cost in the end is hard. Guessing that removing profit orientated insurance companies, and all the extra wasted effort around that it not as hard.
Getting a little carried away, here.
The GDP of the entire US is 17 trillion - that means you could buy every good and product made in America during one year for 17 trillion.
FWIW, the GDP of the entire world is around 65 trillion. Yes, America accounts for 1/4 of the GDP of the entire world.
So M4A could not possibly cost that much - at least not in one year.
‘Medicare for All’ Would Cost $32.6 Trillion Over 10 Years, Study Says
Washington (AP) -- Sen. Bernie Sanders' "Medicare for all" plan would boost government health spending by $32.6 trillion over 10 years, requiring historic tax hikes, says a study released Monday by a university-based libertarian policy center.....
1. abolishing ICE doesnt mean open borders. I dont know why you folks on the right make this idiotic claim that the left wants open borders. Thats nonsense. And trying to make that argument takes away a lot of the legitimacy of any post that mentions it.
2. Medicare for all would cost X is pretty much nonsense. People need healthcare-the actual cost of it doesn't matter as long as it costs less then the current method. And right now the current method has insurance agencies taking a profit, and massive inefficiency dealing with them. Other countries that pay for it all? It costs them HALF per person then what it costs us. HALF. And they have comparable outcomes. Medicare is one method of doing this. Plus your idiotic number is for 10 years of it! And more importantly.....that number is a pretty wild guess. It assumes some things such as lowered rates-that might not occur, and doesn't take into account the savings from removing tons of insurance people. The figure could be considerably higher or lower. Guessing the cost in the end is hard. Guessing that removing profit orientated insurance companies, and all the extra wasted effort around that it not as hard.
Well, the US develops more drugs and procedures so the costs are higher here. You lefties are just in major denial. I hope someday you earn a real paycheck and have to actually pay some taxes.
She can promise anything she wants because she knows she will never have to deliver. She can blame Congress. It would not be doable anyway.
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