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View Poll Results: Do you support free healthcare for the illegals?
Yes. 8 6.02%
No. 125 93.98%
I don’t know. 0 0%
Voters: 133. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-28-2019, 08:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by WMak70 View Post
pknopp is very much on topic. Your side loves to bring up how horrible it will be to potentially raise taxes for illegals, but you totally ignore the massive monster debt that is hanging over all of our heads. Trump has done zilch to reduce that burdon, but has, instead, made it even a bigger problem.

Not even close....the topic is not about the current debt, it's about providing health care for illegals....will it add to that debt, yes...still not the topic....


So, I'm assuming you are for illegals and full medical?
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Old 06-28-2019, 08:14 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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With the mass influx of illegal aliens the Democratic Party is overtly lobbying for, and Medicare for all, your Medicare for all plan will be so overwhelmed with illegal aliens it will be useless. Even you obedient Socialist servants out there must be getting nervous with the ignorance spewing from your Marxist masters.

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“All Democrats just raised their hands for giving millions of illegal aliens unlimited healthcare,” Trump wrote on Twitter from Japan, where he is to attend the G20 Summit.

“How about taking care of American Citizens first!? That’s the end of that race!”


https://nypost.com/2019/06/27/trump-...ed-immigrants/
They did, did they? I'm sure that's true considering Trump's longstanding record for honesty
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Old 06-28-2019, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Austin
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They did, did they?
scooby, every democratic party presidential candidate raised their hand when asked by the debate moderator at last night's debate if their health care plan would provide coverage for "undocumented immigrants". every.....single......one.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._comments=true
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Old 06-28-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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Republican President Ronald Reagan signed the bill which requires hospitals to provide healthcare for illegals. This was in 1986 and is still in effect. This is a GOP law. Don't try to blame it on the Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerge...tive_Labor_Act


..to anyone seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. Participating hospitals may not transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

All patients have EMTALA rights equally, regardless of age, race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, residence, citizenship, or legal status. If patient's status is found to be illegal, hospitals may not discharge a patient prior to completion of care
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Old 06-28-2019, 08:22 AM
 
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With the mass influx of illegal aliens the Democratic Party is overtly lobbying for, and Medicare for all, your Medicare for all plan will be so overwhelmed with illegal aliens it will be useless. Even you obedient Socialist servants out there must be getting nervous with the ignorance spewing from your Marxist masters.



https://nypost.com/2019/06/27/trump-...ed-immigrants/
Many of the 'illegals' that you are referencing pay taxes. If we offered them a path to citizenship or legal status they would have a legal right to that healthcare.

Asylum seekers and such are getting healthcare already.

There are very few 'underground' illegals that are lining up for handouts in this country. It is a myth that has been created that folks are streaming into the country using the welfare programs and doing nothing.

If you have ever met someone who is undocumented, you would know most don't want to be on any govt. list...and that means they stay away from 'freebies'.

From my what I saw at schools & churches -- illegals often refuse to use banks even. They deal in cash only.
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Old 06-28-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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I think it is very honest of democrats to tell us what they want to do. Isn't the criticism always that politician don't tell us what they want to do?
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Old 06-28-2019, 08:28 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Many of the 'illegals' that you are referencing pay taxes. If we offered them a path to citizenship or legal status they would have a legal right to that healthcare.

Asylum seekers and such are getting healthcare already.

There are very few 'underground' illegals that are lining up for handouts in this country. It is a myth that has been created that folks are streaming into the country using the welfare programs and doing nothing.

If you have ever met someone who is undocumented, you would know most don't want to be on any govt. list...and that means they stay away from 'freebies'.

From my what I saw at schools & churches -- illegals often refuse to use banks even. They deal in cash only.
That is good to hear, but will it remain that way after the democrats decriminalize them, as candidates have promised to do?

Once decriminalized, wont they all go for every freebie they can get?
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Old 06-28-2019, 08:32 AM
 
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pknopp is very much on topic. Your side loves to bring up how horrible it will be to potentially raise taxes for illegals, but you totally ignore the massive monster debt that is hanging over all of our heads. Trump has done zilch to reduce that burdon, but has, instead, made it even a bigger problem.
The reason they ignore that fact is because every action taken by either party is an action that contributes to a process. But that action is mostly viewed as a single isolated event, that is how the opposite party can exploit it and take control of the message, for example, "Democrats only care about illegals."

It would be beneficial for all to target the process, which both parties participate in, but that is never going to happen because it takes too much time, too much compromise, too much learning about each other. The goal is to win the presidency and they are going to do that taking a different direction that is faster.

My solution is to make socialized services a local decision or state decision rather than a federal law. Then make transportation accessible across the United States so that people can easily move to those areas. People are pretty creative and if they need more resources or if they need to make access to resources more efficient, they will find a way to do it.
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Old 06-28-2019, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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They did, did they? I'm sure that's true considering Trump's longstanding record for honesty
So you're an advocate for Democrats and didn't even watch the debate. Another ill-informed voter.
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Old 06-28-2019, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Republican President Ronald Reagan signed the bill which requires hospitals to provide healthcare for illegals. This was in 1986 and is still in effect. This is a GOP law. Don't try to blame it on the Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerge...tive_Labor_Act


..to anyone seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay. Participating hospitals may not transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

All patients have EMTALA rights equally, regardless of age, race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, residence, citizenship, or legal status. If patient's status is found to be illegal, hospitals may not discharge a patient prior to completion of care
Are you under the impression that all healthcare involves hospital visits?
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