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Old 02-24-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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b-b-b-bUt tHe FrEe MaRkEt!!!1!!

Trump is a facist, his economic policy does not need to be coherent.
Apparently you have no clue what a fascist is. But, it's something you heard some other dim witted fool say so you thought you would chime in with the word. Being on the left means never having to say you are sorry
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Old 02-24-2019, 10:41 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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https://www.downsizinggovernment.org...ture/subsidies

That's MY money going to Ag businesses.

It's welfare for farmers.
Like I said... Food Stamp spending for FY2019 is budgeted at $84 billion. The aid given to the nation's farmers is substantially less than that. Let's eliminate both.
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Old 02-24-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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So if they voted republican, then hypocrites- Thought they are against handouts?? Which is it ?
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Old 02-24-2019, 11:10 AM
 
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Corporate welfare? No such thing. Tax cuts aren't welfare. Keeping one's own earnings/profits isn't welfare. Example... Do you own any personal possessions? Did the Fed Gov GIVE them to you (welfare) like the Fed Gov GIVES some people Food Stamps, Medicaid, etc., benefits? Or did you have to EARN them yourself by paying for them out of your earnings?

Understand the difference? Welfare is an actual TRANSFER of wealth from some to others. A tax cut just enables individuals/corporations to keep more of their own money, it doesn't transfer any of anyone else's wealth TO them.
Like I said to you before, you are looking at things the wrong way. You see those billions given in food stamps as Welfare to poor people. I see it mainly as giving billions to the food industry. In fact, the governments cares more about keeping those industries in business than keeping poverty down. Same goes for other industries.
Another thing you can't see is how big business can accumulate insane amounts of money by underpaying workers. That is what you call "keeping their money". In reality, there is a transferring of workers' money upward.

This writer explain it better.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TDW1K0rG-zw
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Old 02-24-2019, 11:13 AM
 
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Like I said to you before you are looking at things the wrong way.
No, I am not. Eliminate Fed Gov aid to farmers and eliminate Fed Gov aid to people. Treat everyone equally as required by the US Constitution's Equal Protection Clause.
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Old 02-24-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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Like I said to you before you are looking at things the wrong way. You see those billions given in food stamps as Welfare to poor people. I see see it mainly as giving billions to the food industry. In fact, the governments cares more about keeping those industries in business than keeping poverty down. Same goes for other industries.
Another thing you can't see is how big business can accumulate insane amounts of money by underpaying workers. That is what you call "keeping their money". In reality, there is a transferring of workers' money upward.

This writer explain it better.
They (I say "they" acknowledging it certainly doesn't apply to every single business), also keep their money by employing people here illegally and working to keep people divided so that is not addressed.

So they hire people here illegally depressing the wages. Those who get jobs are working under a condition of these depressed wages. Those wages do not allow one to make ends meet so we provide food assistance in the form of food stamps.

In this way those who hire people illegally benefit from both ends. They can hire people at low wages to work the farms or dairy and then sell their products by the benefits of food stamps.
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Old 02-24-2019, 11:18 AM
 
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They (I say "they" acknowledging it certainly doesn't apply to every single business), also keep their money by employing people here illegally and working to keep people divided so that is not addressed.
A good start on addressing that would be for Dems to stop implementing sanctuary cities/states and stop making it illegal for employers to cooperate with ICE.
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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They (I say "they" acknowledging it certainly doesn't apply to every single business), also keep their money by employing people here illegally and working to keep people divided so that is not addressed.

So they hire people here illegally depressing the wages. Those who get jobs are working under a condition of these depressed wages. Those wages do not allow one to make ends meet so we provide food assistance in the form of food stamps.

In this way those who hire people illegally benefit from both ends. They can hire people at low wages to work the farms or dairy and then sell their products by the benefits of food stamps.
That's right. This obsession with higher profits goes beyond subsidies and tax havens. Illegal immigration is another example. But it has to do with many other things: double standards in trade, laws that protect some industries- thus shaping markets to special interests, a justice system that guarantee those who have the most money win, etc.

And the consequences go beyond lower standards of living for most people. Look at the state of education or the crisis in science where fraud has become so prevalent- although not yet known by most people.
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Old 02-24-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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That's right. This obsession with higher profits goes beyond subsidies and tax havens. Illegal immigration is another example. But it has to do with many other things: double standards in trade, laws that protect some industries- thus shaping markets to special interests, a justice system that guarantee those who have the most money win, etc.

And the consequences go beyond lower standards of living for most people. Look at the state of education or the crisis in science where fraud has become so prevalent- although not yet known by most people.
I agree, which is why Dems need to reverse course instead of implementing sanctuary cities/states and making it illegal for employers to cooperate with ICE.
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Old 02-24-2019, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Farming and rural areas voted for trump. Enjoy your fate.
I am sure they are enjoying showering in taxpayer funded hand-outs.

Enjoying the fruits of socialism.......

And now Trump is trying to get his fellow socialist to the throne in Venezuela.

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