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Legal claims to land ownership are meaningless without legal continuity to enforce those claims. At the same time, the law of conquest is never not in effect because if you don't have the wherewithal to enforce your claim as well as someone else, your claim is de facto forfeit.
Israel controls the Levant not because God gave it to them, or because it is the Jewish ancestral homeland, but because Israel won a series of wars against Arab neighbors who contested their claim.
Legal claims to land ownership are meaningless without legal continuity to enforce those claims. At the same time, the law of conquest is never not in effect because if you don't have the wherewithal to enforce your claim as well as someone else, your claim is de facto forfeit.
Israel controls the Levant not because God gave it to them, or because it is the Jewish ancestral homeland, but because Israel won a series of wars against Arab neighbors who contested their claim.
True - and I accept that reasoning actually for The Law of Return. But for how long going forward in time will that reasoning apply - particularly if we want Israel to follow "democratic principles"? "Never not in effect" for the future???
(As a side note, there's probably some utilitarian school of philosophy out there that could be drawn on??? What's functional in the long term wins a bunch of bennies in my book.)
True - and I accept that reasoning actually for The Law of Return. But for how long going forward in time will that reasoning apply - particularly if we want Israel to follow "democratic principles"? (As a side note, there's probably some utilitarian school of philosophy out there that could be drawn on??? What's functional in the long term wins a bunch of bennies in my book.)
Israel will control the Levant as long as they are able to. Even if there was a law that said, "once you control land for N years it's yours", as a kind of sovereign squatters rights, that law would be meaningless without an enforcement mechanism.
Ultimately the world system of competing sovereignties is anarchic, the UN is toothless, and realpolitik rules.
Israel will control the Levant as long as they are able to. Even if there was a law that said, "once you control land for N years it's yours", as a kind of sovereign squatters rights, that law would be meaningless without an enforcement mechanism.
Ultimately the world system of competing sovereignties is anarchic, the UN is toothless, and realpolitik rules.
Again ... I accept that. Israel is the big kid on the block. But back to functionality ... I really only want Israel to be a nice big kid on the block so no one starts throwing stones that might accidentally - or worse, deliberately - hit me. Keep it calm and we're good to go. No ... it's more than that.
Because many years ago I "chose" Israel I'd like for it to meet my "niceness" standards. Sure that's egocentric ... but its rather the psychological version of your "realpolitik."
If you don't think it's any of our business, why are you posting on this thread?? (If you read my post way back on page 69, I was addressing the posters on this thread, not the world in general....) Try again.
Exactly! That's the double standard I keep trying to explain. They refuse to see it, which again reveals the special animosity they hold toward Israel when compared to other nations. There's only one explanation for that, and it isn't good.
Here s a line to keep you busy - Other countries are criticized less because they dont lay claims to real estate citing mythology
You just ignore the truth when it doesn't fit your agenda, don't you?. Nobody is saying that legitimate criticism of specific Isrseli policy is antisemitic. For the nth time, I repeat: I myself have been critical of their settlement policy.
What IS antisemitic is the double standard applied to Israel - and broad, sweeping condemnation that crosses into criticism of the "rich, powerful Jews." Antisemites want cart Blanche to say horrible things and false things about Israel AS A WHOLE while ignoring terrible travesties of every other country that commits far worse.
I hope you are well off, but not a billionaire I guess. And not also an Israeli. So what makes you passionately defend the "Rich powerful Jews" or Israel? I also used to be like this before, but later changed.
If you don't think it's any of our business, why are you posting on this thread?? (If you read my post way back on page 69, I was addressing the posters on this thread, not the world in general....) Try again.
I posted to dispute your silly list. I seemed to have made a mark.
I hope you are well off, but not a billionaire I guess. And not also an Israeli. So what makes you passionately defend the "Rich powerful Jews" or Israel? I also used to be like this before, but later changed.
Wow. I'm not defending the "rich, powerful Jews". I'm using that sarcastically - as in, that's the root of the antisemitism and resentment (which you continue to demonstrate): the thought that Jews are these rich, powerful people.
And I'm strictly middle class. Why would you assume I'm well-off? Because I'm Jewish?
Here s a line to keep you busy - Other countries are criticized less because they dont lay claims to real estate citing mythology
I don't know a single Jew who claims that's what they defend the right of Israel to exist. Israel needs to exist because Jews need a place of self-determination in case another Holocaust springs up.
All it takes is for the continuing resentment and jealousy against Jews (that you demonstrate with almost every post) to rise to a breaking point. Before you know it, we'll have antisemites blaming the "all-powerful Jews" for hurricanes. (Oh, wait.....we already had that....some elected Democrat in Washington, DC accused the Jews of making it snow so they could make money with the snow plow companies.)
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