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Old 03-02-2019, 06:16 PM
 
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A far more factual and data driven discussion exists, here:

Is it a moral right for a country to provide free healthcare?
It's probably best to start using the term "subsidized" healthcare instead of "free" healthcare, just sayin'!
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Old 03-02-2019, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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I heard an interesting stat re 'Medicare for all' on NPR just today.

Of 40 house seats that were flipped by Democrats in Nov, 2018, exactly zero campaigned on 'Medicare for all.' One Dem who did run on it, lost his attempt to flip.

edit: here's an article that covers the same topic from last Nov.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypi.../#db87bf41f543

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But single-payer did not fare as well in the general election. Not counting incumbents, 111 Democratic candidates gunning for the House backed Medicare for All. Of those, only 19 won their elections.
The article also notes that one Democrat did win campaigning on 'MFA'--Kim Schrier in the WA 8th CD. Even though the incumbent was an R, he had retired, so both candidates in the race were first-timers, so technically I guess it wouldn't be considered a flip.
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Old 03-06-2019, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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They like to cry a lot how they have to pay so much yet we retired folks pay nothing and get free healthcare.

What is the Average Retirement Income 2019 (And, Median Retirement Income 2019)?



How about we base what people pay on income and we will build it around what my wife and I have as total medical cost as a percentage of what people our age group (70-75) enjoy in mean retirement income?

Total out out of pocket for the wife and I is $10,000 per year or $5,000 each.

If our household income $46,797 then we pay 21.4% of our income on medical cost and insurance.

Of course we will continue the Medicare insurance rate at 1.45% bringing the total Medicare insurance to 22.85% of total income without deductions.

If a family of four earns $100,000 they pay $22,850/year or $1,904 in monthly premiums.

If a family of four earns only $40,000 then their monthly premiums, in addition to other federal, state and social security taxes, is $761/month.

Why not have everyone pay the same exact rate as we retired old people living on a fixed income?

Nothing is free in this world, you will pay for everything you ever get one way or another. To many this must be totally shocking but it is true.
Are you serious? Most of us paid into Medicare for 50 years before we retired. And it's just Medicare "A", hospitalization, that's totally premium-free, and even then there are deductibles when you actually use it.
https://www.webmd.com/health-insuran...e-and-services
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Old 03-06-2019, 06:38 PM
 
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I like the idea of a public option as a start. Low premiums and service through public hospitals.
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Old 03-06-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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Are you serious? Most of us paid into Medicare for 50 years before we retired. And it's just Medicare "A", hospitalization, that's totally premium-free, and even then there are deductibles when you actually use it.
https://www.webmd.com/health-insuran...e-and-services
You didnt "pay into" anything, money was taken from you on payday to pay the govts bills on the next day, with no promise of future repayment. And if you're retired now, workers are punching a time clock to pay your expenses and the rest. Medicare is just another ponzi.
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Old 03-06-2019, 07:05 PM
 
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I think "Medicare For All" should be considered, the details to be worked out by Congress. Keep in mind the fact that Medicare part A is just hospitalization insurance. Everyone who has health insurance has hospitalization insurance and the uninsured who are hospitalized everyone is paying for now. I suggest that insurers offer programs with the option of Medicare part A as a part of the policy.

Medicare part B is out of hospital health care insurance. Physicians will oppose that because it limits their fees.

I suggest small steps starting with part A option.
No. Everyone pay for their own stuff. Don’t depend on others to fund your poor choices in life.
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Old 03-06-2019, 07:09 PM
 
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Remember, Medicare payments started when you were twenty plus years of age and working all the way to 65... All those payments you made just vanished when you got Medicare at birth... I laugh because most Americans will have paid LESS than what they receive...
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Old 03-06-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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Remember, Medicare payments started when you were twenty plus years of age and working all the way to 65... All those payments you made just vanished when you got Medicare at birth... I laugh because most Americans will have paid LESS than what they receive...
Young people, unlike boomers, will likely see that money vanish with their social security and get nothing for it anyway.
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