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You should be bashing the United States when we’re wrong instead of endorsing the wrongdoing out of patriotism. That’s called loving your country and expecting it to live up to its stated and enshrined ideals.
Ah, so you fancy yourself as a patriotic "constructive critic"? In actuality, you are just being used by our enemies as a convenient pawn to do their dirty work.
Ah, so you fancy yourself as a patriotic "constructive critic"? In actuality, you are just being used by our enemies as a convenient pawn to do their dirty work.
Ah, so you fancy yourself as a patriotic "constructive critic"? In actuality, you are just being used by our enemies as a convenient pawn to do their dirty work.
Nah. My dirty work comes courtesy of yours truly. I own it...lock, stock and barrel. I’m not being co-opted by anyone.
At the same time, I don’t understand the argument why the US can’t be in the region. The Persian Gulf covers international waters, so technically speaking every nation has a right to be there as long as they don’t cross over into another’s territory.
Nobody is keeping the US out of the region. The US has and has long had military berthing in Bahrain and other points in the UAE. The US has shipping going through the Straits of Hormuz.
But at this point the US has explicitly stated the intention of absolutely strangling Iran and expects Iran to do nothing but die. Iran can't even make any kind of deal with the US--not even total capitulation--because the US has already explicitly stated we will not keep any agreement with them.
This isn’t a question of pacifism. This is a question of naked aggression and international geopolitical bullying of a nation that hasn’t attacked us and presents no danger to us. To invert the conversation by invoking something as irrelevant as pacifism is dishonest on your part.
Averting an all out war and getting troops killed over nothing isn’t a pacifist position. It’s a reasonable one.
This isn’t a question of pacifism. This is a question of naked aggression and international geopolitical bullying of a nation that hasn’t attacked us and presents no danger to us. To invert the conversation by invoking something as irrelevant as pacifism is dishonest on your part.
Averting an all out war and getting troops killed over nothing isn’t a pacifist position. It’s a reasonable one.
Your core argument is entirely wrong, that's the problem. Iran is notorious for aggression and bullying. There's a reason they have given US leadership a headache for decades now. It's nothing new to Trump.
Whether you want to admit it or not, you are a pacifist, as are a surprising number of people on here who would rather the US stay out of the middle east conflicts, bury our collective heads in the sand, and pretend the world's problems will magically go away. News flash -- they won't. We may not have a spotless track record in the middle east, but we are a force for good in the region, fighting for oppressed citizens who need help and want their voices to be heard. That's worth the fight, IMO, even if it means taking 4 steps forward and 3 steps back.
Your core argument is entirely wrong, that's the problem. Iran is notorious for aggression and bullying. There's a reason they have given US leadership a headache for decades now. It's nothing new to Trump.
Whether you want to admit it or not, you are a pacifist, as are a surprising number of people on here who would rather the US stay out of the middle east conflicts, bury our collective heads in the sand, and pretend the world's problems will magically go away. News flash -- they won't. We may not have a spotless track record in the middle east, but we are a force for good in the region, fighting for oppressed citizens who need help and want their voices to be heard. That's worth the fight, IMO, even if it means taking 4 steps forward and 3 steps back.
You're mistaken, the problems with Iran come from the fact that the US militarily occupies the region.
What does good mean, do you know what our intentions are?
Your core argument is entirely wrong, that's the problem. Iran is notorious for aggression and bullying. There's a reason they have given US leadership a headache for decades now. It's nothing new to Trump.
Whether you want to admit it or not, you are a pacifist, as are a surprising number of people on here who would rather the US stay out of the middle east conflicts, bury our collective heads in the sand, and pretend the world's problems will magically go away. News flash -- they won't. We may not have a spotless track record in the middle east, but we are a force for good in the region, fighting for oppressed citizens who need help and want their voices to be heard. That's worth the fight, IMO, even if it means taking 4 steps forward and 3 steps back.
It is not the role of the United States to gallivant “around the world in search of monsters to slay.” If we’re a force for good, then we should behave like it. We have destroyed a nation (Iraq) in recent years, and unjustifiably so under false pretenses. Now you want to destroy another nation under the same auspices? You’re maniacal if that’s what you want.
I’m nothing close to being a pacifist either in my personal conduct nor in my outlook. What I am is reasonable and responsible. I’m also equanimous and level headed. You’re gonna get tens of thousands of American men and women killed for WHAT exactly? To further the hegemonial goals of people like Bolton and Pompeo? We can’t control the Middle East anyway no matter how hard we try.
On top of everything else, the Iranian people will hate us for invading their country and installing a puppet government. They will take to arms and swell the ranks of guerrilla rebel groups (along with jihadists from around the world) and launch a reign of terror that the United States military can’t even begin to imagine. Weapons will pour in from Russia and other countries that don’t like us, and we’ll be humiliated in front of the whole world while U.S. Troops drop like flies in the Iranian mountains. We’d be stuck there for years trying to figure out how to leave. The Iranian people aren’t gonna just genuflect and throw down their weapons upon our arrival.
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. You need to lay off the Fox News channel.
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