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Old 05-18-2019, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Pedantic. You missed the forest for the trees.

What figure do you want to settle on? 85%? 50%? Heck even 20%? You know the death rate is <1% in an abortion clinic for a mother?

Does that change anything about what I said in the sense of back alley abortions? Banning abortions is the same as banning alcohol, we know how that turned out. It goes underground.
I remember that the number of women who died, had complications or lost the ability to have children was a huge issue at the time. I suppose it's not now because it doesn't happen anymore.
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Old 05-18-2019, 06:01 PM
 
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I live in suburbs of Austin. The city council is a JOKE! The homeless here is exploding and they pass stupid left winged laws all the time. Its a mini-California in Texas. im just waiting to cash out my home in a few years.
Don't worry. It will sell quickly.
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Old 05-18-2019, 06:15 PM
 
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I seriously doubt that the city of Austin has any dealings in Alabama anyway. And, I doubt that Alabama cares.
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Old 05-18-2019, 06:54 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere
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I remember that the number of women who died, had complications or lost the ability to have children was a huge issue at the time. I suppose it's not now because it doesn't happen anymore.
I’m sure that to most people they are just “collateral damage.” All that matters in America right now is that the church maintains control and that the social norms of conservative Christianity are enforced on all Americans. But just watch. In a few years it’s no longer going to be about “Christian values” but “Baptist government” vs control by Rome, like it used to be.
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Old 05-18-2019, 07:02 PM
 
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There are no babies being murdered and it is none of your business what happens in my womb or the womb of any other woman who decides not take your opinion into consideration when making life and health personal choices. Do we get to choose what you do with your organs or bodily functions? Do I get to choose when to pull the plug on another's family member when they are on life support? Will you be calling me or any other stranger if this situation arises in your family?

This anti-choice BS is a desperate attempt for a dying ideology and party to hold onto vestiges of the past as they become less and less relevant. Wedge issues always work to manipulate the rubes and tools.
It is true that morality is indeed a dying ideology, along with basic humane behavior ... at least among those which may never have actually embraced such a thing to begin with, except when it benefited themselves personally.

But we have a much broader aspect of morality that most people throughout the ages have ALWAYS embraced as just and self evident, (aside from violent criminals, sociopaths and psychopaths ), basic acceptable human behavior. That being the idea that human life is so precious that no one has the “right”, let alone the “choice” to kill another human being, except in cases of self defense.

To this basic level of universal, mandatory, acceptable moral behavior, we owe our continuing existence. Consequently, leftists, in order to escape such fundamentally required humane behavior, must then declare the unborn baby non-human, by labeling it a “fetus” ... as if that somehow will eliminate the reality of it having a distinctive human form, with heartbeat, arms and legs, etc., indicative of another human being, like ourselves, who universally expect and assume such protection of our lives as a fundamental right.

Moreover, we as human beings are obligated to adhere to common, universally agreed to behavior, and particularly with respect to the most basic idea ... the value of human life, and the right to life of our fellow human beings. We are not just bound morally, but also legally to such concepts. Be it through deliberate acts, or even accidental, we can be criminally culpable for harm or loss of life of another human being by our behavior. Consequently, the answer is NO ... YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO “Choose” to end the life of another human being for nothing more than personal “convenience”. And you NEVER have had such a right, EVER. Only psychopaths would claim such a thing.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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How does a city boycott a state?

Do they divvy up ... interstate roads?
Basically the city of Austin is banned from any contracts with Alabama.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Right, but Austin is "Sister Cities" with Old Orlu in Nigeria where abortion is straight-up illegal, and Xishuangbanna in China, where the "one child" policy has led to forced abortions and a significant imbalance of male vs female births.

Can you say "selective posturing?"
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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It is true that morality is indeed a dying ideology, along with basic humane behavior ... at least among those which may never have actually embraced such a thing to begin with, except when it benefited themselves personally.

But we have a much broader aspect of morality that most people throughout the ages have ALWAYS embraced as just and self evident, (aside from violent criminals, sociopaths and psychopaths ), basic acceptable human behavior. That being the idea that human life is so precious that no one has the “right”, let alone the “choice” to kill another human being, except in cases of self defense.

To this basic level of universal, mandatory, acceptable moral behavior, we owe our continuing existence. Consequently, leftists, in order to escape such fundamentally required humane behavior, must then declare the unborn baby non-human, by labeling it a “fetus” ... as if that somehow will eliminate the reality of it having a distinctive human form, with heartbeat, arms and legs, etc., indicative of another human being, like ourselves, who universally expect and assume such protection of our lives as a fundamental right.

Moreover, we as human beings are obligated to adhere to common, universally agreed to behavior, and particularly with respect to the most basic idea ... the value of human life, and the right to life of our fellow human beings. We are not just bound morally, but also legally to such concepts. Be it through deliberate acts, or even accidental, we can be criminally culpable for harm or loss of life of another human being by our behavior. Consequently, the answer is NO ... YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO “Choose” to end the life of another human being for nothing more than personal “convenience”. And you NEVER have had such a right, EVER. Only psychopaths would claim such a thing.
You failed to address the fact that abortions will happen regardless of if it’s law or not.

The difference will be whether a back alley doctor will use coat hangers on a woman or if a doctor who has a medical degree will perform it.

More people will die and the same number of babies will die either way. The number of dead women and women with fertility issues will skyrocket.

There’s idealism and reality. I focus in reality. I’m an engineer.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Right, but Austin is "Sister Cities" with Old Orlu in Nigeria where abortion is straight-up illegal, and Xishuangbanna in China, where the "one child" policy has led to forced abortions and a significant imbalance of male vs female births.

Can you say "selective posturing?"
Sister cities is just a good will thing.
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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I'm not in favor of these restrictive abortion laws, but Austin itself (as the capital of a state under full Republican control)
Austin is as liberal as it gets. Who rules the state is immaterial.
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