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Old 05-20-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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You don't know what the word marxism even means or you wouldn't have used it, and you are equally wrong on this. Current Republicans wouldn't even accept Ronald Reagan, he's not far right enough.

https://www.newsweek.com/ronald-reag...ans-gop-442360
Reagan is pretty much an idol for the average republican. You are definitely wrong on that. Most will tell you he was the greatest president in the last 50 years, unless they are big Trump supporters.

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Leftists aren't moving toward Marxism. If Trump loved America and Americans he'd address the issues of climate change and the environment. You can't eat money, which everyone will find out eventually. Trump loves Trump. Period.
I don't agree at all. Leftists are no longer afraid to express their fondness for socialism, where as they were too scared to say this 20 years ago. It definitely appears the left is moving to the far left at a fast and steady pace.

As for climate change, if you are so concerned, stop buying stuff from China and other countries that produce more pollution. We have strict environmental standards, which add to the costs of production. Trump actually had the guts to do something about this by placing tariffs on China, and leftists have never been more disgruntled and angry. They obviously don't support US manufacturing when they can buy cheap crap made by slave labor in countries that have poor environmental standards. Yes, we know, do as I say, not as I do
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:07 PM
 
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Jeanine Pirro, Mike Pompeo, Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro, and Nikki Haley would all be interesting candidates.
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:19 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Jeanine Pirro, Mike Pompeo, Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro, and Nikki Haley would all be interesting candidates.
I don't think we are ready for someone with a name like "Shapiro" for President; or ever will be.
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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Reagan is pretty much an idol for the average republican. You are definitely wrong on that. Most will tell you he was the greatest president in the last 50 years, unless they are big Trump supporters.



I don't agree at all. Leftists are no longer afraid to express their fondness for socialism, where as they were too scared to say this 20 years ago. It definitely appears the left is moving to the far left at a fast and steady pace.

As for climate change, if you are so concerned, stop buying stuff from China and other countries that produce more pollution. We have strict environmental standards, which add to the costs of production. Trump actually had the guts to do something about this by placing tariffs on China, and leftists have never been more disgruntled and angry. They obviously don't support US manufacturing when they can buy cheap crap made by slave labor in countries that have poor environmental standards. Yes, we know, do as I say, not as I do
The left are certainly more progressive. But that's not Marxism. Marxism means there are no classes, that the government takes everyone's money and redistributes. Last I knew, the rich were still rich. I haven't seen any of that money, have you? Nor would I want to.

Yes, the U.S. did have strict environment standards that Trump is trying his damndest to overturn. I agree that we are all the problem with climate change, but it would help if the government would try to at least maintain the clear air and water regulations that we have in place and to protect our federal lands.
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Old 05-20-2019, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I don't think we are ready for someone with a name like "Shapiro" for President; or ever will be.
do you mean a jewish person can't be president because the country won't ever be ready? I hope you are wrong in such an assumption.

As to ben shapiro, I doubt he wants to be president. no person in their right mind would want to be president....too much aggravation and intrusion on family security and privacy. I would assume ben values his family too much to put them through such an ordeal as running for or being president.
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Old 05-20-2019, 01:49 PM
 
Location: My House
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Leftists have been moving to the extreme and gravitating closer towards Marxism. That's because Trump expresses deep love for America and Americans, and that really irks leftists. It's kind of funny actually because leftists would absolutely hate living in most Marxist orientated countries. Why are leftists so interested in harming themselves and others?
Oddly, all my "lefty" friends love America and Americans.

They just tend not to hate everyone else who is not from the USA.
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Old 05-20-2019, 01:57 PM
 
Location: USA
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Looks to me like the average conservative is in the same frame of mind as under Obama. They are not moving to the extreme. They are more open to things like ending the war on drugs and they don't mind abortion as much as years past. Conservatives have moved closer to the center on most issues over the past 20 years. You could call them the new moderate base. Leftists continue to push deeper into left field, showing America just how wacky they can be.
True for the most part, as more and more Republicans are accepting of Gay Marriage, remember even Obama believed "marriage is between a man and woman" just 10 years ago. As far as Obama being Moderate, his secret meetings with Farrakhan and the Muslim brotherhood show how in touch with the general population he was.
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Old 05-20-2019, 01:59 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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. no person in their right mind would want to be president....
And Trump is living proof of that but I don't think that's what you had in mind.
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Old 05-20-2019, 02:01 PM
 
Location: USA
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Oddly, all my "lefty" friends love America and Americans.

They just tend not to hate everyone else who is not from the USA.
Im sure they love their version of America where DNC and Hillary donators are put in charge of investigating Donald Trump, and their favorite President is found to be secretly meeting with the most Racist black man in the country.
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Old 05-20-2019, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Austin
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And Trump is living proof of that but I don't think that's what you had in mind.
sure, I include trump in my assessment along with all presidents and presidential candidates of recent history. Narcissists crave attention and you can't get more attention than being the leader of the world.
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