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Old 05-23-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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The same rich guy forced Barack Obama to release his birth certificate. A man who hides nothing, has nothing to hide!
Maybe WF turned over fake financial records as well.
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Old 05-23-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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Oh, now we should only care about his behavior when he's President? As an ordinary citizen no one cares what he did? THat's a switch, most think that since he's President he should be immune. You think he can shut his terrible behavior on and off - liars and thieves do it all the time whenever it suits them.

I say it doesn't matter when he behaved unethically - I wanna know about it....and it looks like we all will.

Did you support obama, yes or no.



It's a simple question, can you answer honestly without providing a diatribe of useless talk?


Yes or no....lets see....
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Old 05-23-2019, 06:58 PM
 
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How did you miss it? It was front page news just last month.

https://www.apnews.com/e0d125d737be4a21a81bec3d9f1dffd8
Assuming obstruction of justice was true how does that justify wanting bank records from years before he was president.

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Old 05-23-2019, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte, FL - Dallas, PA
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This is a scary, slippery slope when politicians will demand, and be granted by the courts, personal financial records from their opponent. Seems like a glaring violation of the 4th Amendment.
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Old 05-23-2019, 07:33 PM
 
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I don't like you and think you are skeevy so because of this give me all your stuff so I can find something to prosecute you.
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Old 05-23-2019, 08:20 PM
 
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People cheering on this behavior by the Democrats need to step back and actually think what's taking place.

Legislators in Congress are seizing bank records... NOT because a crime was committed... but to search for a crime with which to attempt to impeach Trump.

If they do it to him, they will do it to anyone.

I have no problem people who oppose Trump politically or personally or whatever, but this goes over the line.

Trump was subjected to a two year investigation and was cleared. Even Mueller didn't go this far. If you are OK with this behavior... it will come back to bite you. Bank on it.

[color="Navy"]A key congressional committee has already gained access to President Donald Trump’s dealings with two major financial institutions, two sources familiar with the House probe tell NBC News, as a court ruling Wednesday promised to open the door for even more records to be handed over.

Wells Fargo and TD Bank are the two of nine institutions that have so far complied with subpoenas issued by the House Financial Services Committee demanding information about their dealings with the Trump Organization, according to the sources. The disclosures by these two banks haven’t been previously reported. Both TD Bank and Wells Fargo declined to comment for this story.
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The subpoenas, details of which have not been released to the public, are predicated on the notion that Congress has access to the information under the Bank Secrecy Act, which allows Congress access to financial information to search for money laundering, according to a person who has seen them.[/COLOR


Has Trump been indicted of money laundering? Is there anything in official with regards to this? Or is Congress or anyone else in authority able to seize bank records because they feel like it?

“The potential use of the U.S. financial system for illicit purposes is a very serious concern,” Waters said in April when she issued the subpoenas. “The Financial Services Committee is exploring these matters, including as they may involve the President and his associates, as thoroughly as possible pursuant to its oversight authority, and will follow the facts wherever they may lead us.”

In other words, they have nothing, and this is a fishing expedition. They are "exploring these matters". It "may involve the President". They will follow the facts wherever it leads them. They are totally searching for a crime at this point.

I'm thrilled. Here's the thing: Trump has a record of ties to criminality beyond anything in memory of the presidency. And he's made it worse for himself by his secrecy and evasiveness.

You seem to have the funny idea that we look for evidence only after someone has been indicted. I understand that you're parroting Trump's line about a "fishing expedition, but that's not how if works, in case you haven't noticed. You collect the evidence first, then indict. Trump has a ton of connections with money laundering, so it's pretty obvious that anyone with ethical standards would want to investigate. And, apparently, yes, Congress does have the authority.

Since the early 20th century, Congress's authority to obtain tax returns and return information from the Internal Revenue Service has played a critical role in its legislative oversight authority. The Revenue Act of 1924 established Congress' power to compel tax return and return information, notwithstanding the general rule of taxpayer privacy.
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Old 05-23-2019, 09:23 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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The whole premise about this is that he is an agent for Russia and he doesn't have our best interest at hand.

Please tell me how the American people have been harmed in some way as a direct consequence of activities or policies with Russia.

Economy - up
Unemplyment - down at record levels
No foreign wars
Trying to limit financial damage from bad trade deals
Prison reform
Are you seriously suggesting that it's OK for POTUS to be a traitor as long as the economy is great? Now that is the very definition of this Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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Old 05-23-2019, 09:23 PM
 
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So, the both of you are cool with turning over these documents, that have nothing to do with his presidency....
Sad......
What Trump supporters ignore is that you have no idea yet whether it relates to the presidency or not - but we can recall the famous dictum, "Follow the money," and when Trump shows such paranoid evasion, it makes him look all the more guilty, and makes people all the more interested.

And, by the way, I don't know about you, but even if it has nothing to do with his presidency, I would hope that any decent person would want to know about any criminality outside of the presidency, too.

It's a funny combination of banks - TD, which is a low-end seemingly laid-back kind of bank, and Wells Fargo, which is already in trouble for its own criminality.
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Old 05-23-2019, 09:25 PM
 
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I say we make all records of everyone public.

Afterall, it's our business now.
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Old 05-23-2019, 09:50 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
People cheering on this behavior by the Democrats need to step back and actually think what's taking place.

Legislators in Congress are seizing bank records... NOT because a crime was committed... but to search for a crime with which to attempt to impeach Trump.

If they do it to him, they will do it to anyone.

I have no problem people who oppose Trump politically or personally or whatever, but this goes over the line.

Trump was subjected to a two year investigation and was cleared. Even Mueller didn't go this far.

If you are OK with this behavior... it will come back to bite you. Bank on it.


Wells Fargo, TD Bank have already given Trump-related financial documents to Congress

A key congressional committee has already gained access to President Donald Trump’s dealings with two major financial institutions, two sources familiar with the House probe tell NBC News, as a court ruling Wednesday promised to open the door for even more records to be handed over.

Wells Fargo and TD Bank are the two of nine institutions that have so far complied with subpoenas issued by the House Financial Services Committee demanding information about their dealings with the Trump Organization, according to the sources. The disclosures by these two banks haven’t been previously reported. Both TD Bank and Wells Fargo declined to comment for this story.

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The subpoenas, details of which have not been released to the public, are predicated on the notion that Congress has access to the information under the Bank Secrecy Act, which allows Congress access to financial information to search for money laundering, according to a person who has seen them.


Has Trump been indicted of money laundering? Is there anything in official with regards to this?

Or is Congress or anyone else in authority able to seize bank records because they feel like it?

“The potential use of the U.S. financial system for illicit purposes is a very serious concern,” Waters said in April when she issued the subpoenas. “The Financial Services Committee is exploring these matters, including as they may involve the President and his associates, as thoroughly as possible pursuant to its oversight authority, and will follow the facts wherever they may lead us.”

In other words, they have nothing, and this is a fishing expedition. They are "exploring these matters". It "may involve the President". They will follow the facts wherever it leads them. They are totally searching for a crime at this point.



Given? Without a judges warrant?


Someone is in big trouble and it ain't Trump.
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