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Old 05-23-2019, 11:44 AM
 
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Well, Cohen testified under oath that financial crimes were committed and a money laundering expert that saw Trump's records stated that there was reasonable suspicion that a crime was taking place sufficient to alert the Treasury Department.

The premise that a crime must first be proven before the authority with oversight responsibilities can endeavor on an investigation of such allegations is buffoonish on its face.
Not to mention that if Joe six pack attempts to hide his assets or financial dealings he's in for a world of hurt if it's even suspected he's laundering money.

How Trump managed to get a casino license without divulging every financial transaction he's ever had without whining about it is a head scratcher indeed.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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I predict Demwit bank records will mysteriously leak to the media.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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There was a lot of evidence of wrong doing, thus, the multiple investigations referred to other courts.
Fourteen in total wasn't it, with two already concerning Cohen and Manafort.

I guess Calk could be considered number three.

Only eleven to go.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:48 AM
 
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Not to mention that if Joe six pack attempts to hide his assets or financial dealings he's in for a world of hurt if it's even suspected he's laundering money.

How Trump managed to get a casino license without divulging every financial transaction he's ever had without whining about it is a head scratcher indeed.
Trump's casino was actually fined for money laundering...
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Trump's casino was a money laundering concern shortly after it opened
https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/polit...hal/index.html

Trump Taj Mahal casino settles U.S. money laundering claims

Trump Taj Mahal casino settles U.S. money laundering claims | Fortune
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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I predict Demwit bank records will mysteriously leak to the media.
Which would be a healthy outcome to all of this whereby all congress critters realize the days of getting rich off of backhanders expected and given is over.

Gee, you might even get one or two morally and ethically endowed people running for office that manage to remain that way for a full term.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Absolutely disgusting, their attempt with the "Collusion Illusion" failed now they have sunk to a new level of desperation in their witch hunt to bring President Trump down in their search for a crime, instead of working with the president to fix the issues our nation faces.
I disagree!

They would be thrilled to discover a real crime, but they would also be happy to find anything they can use to make make Trump look bad.

The the economy is on fire with no new wars and lots of the issues Americans actually care about being addressed.

The Democrats know their agenda is DOA with the vast majority of voters, so they are stuck with having to make Trump politically radioactive in 2020.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:53 AM
 
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Congress has a Reasonable Suspicion of wrongdoing by Trump, and may have crossed the line into Probable Cause. If you are driving erratically, a patrol officer has Reasonable Suspicion that you are DUII. That allows him to pull you over and administer a field sobriety test. If you fail that test, then he has Probable Cause to arrest you. Reasonable Suspicion is all you need to start investigating.

So far there are a few items that have triggered Reasonable Suspicion:

1. The Russians interfered in the US 2016 election.

2. Trump lied about negotiations for Trump Tower Moscow during the election.

3. Eric Trump stated that a major part of the Trump Organization cash flow was being funded by the Russians.

4. The Trump organization was in contact with Russians about lifting sanctions even before Trump was inaugurated.

OK, that's pretty suspicious. Let's take a look at the money trail. If Trump can poke his nose with his index finger with his eyes closed, he'll be fine. Then there is always:

5. Trump's bank was fined $2 billion by EU regulators for engaging in money laundering with the Russians.

Ooo. Ooo. Is that a taillight out? Better pull him over.

Probable cause for doing what that is against the law?

Money laundering would be an issue, but Trump deals with 9 banks. Just because one bank has issues does not necessarily implicate Trump. Maybe they should subpoena everyone's records who has an account at that bank.
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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Thank you !!! We agree.

Bank records are likely to play a part on both sides as we see who is paid and who was paying, especially with those involved in spying. They didn't do it for free most likely. The only one that is working for free, that we know of, is Trump.
By working for free you mean misappropriating non profit funds and helping yourself to inauguration and campaign funds?
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Old 05-23-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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People cheering on this behavior by the Democrats need to step back and actually think what's taking place.

Legislators in Congress are seizing bank records... NOT because a crime was committed... but to search for a crime with which to attempt to impeach Trump.

If they do it to him, they will do it to anyone.

I have no problem people who oppose Trump politically or personally or whatever, but this goes over the line.

Trump was subjected to a two year investigation and was cleared. Even Mueller didn't go this far.

If you are OK with this behavior... it will come back to bite you. Bank on it.


Wells Fargo, TD Bank have already given Trump-related financial documents to Congress

A key congressional committee has already gained access to President Donald Trump’s dealings with two major financial institutions, two sources familiar with the House probe tell NBC News, as a court ruling Wednesday promised to open the door for even more records to be handed over.

Wells Fargo and TD Bank are the two of nine institutions that have so far complied with subpoenas issued by the House Financial Services Committee demanding information about their dealings with the Trump Organization, according to the sources. The disclosures by these two banks haven’t been previously reported. Both TD Bank and Wells Fargo declined to comment for this story.

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The subpoenas, details of which have not been released to the public, are predicated on the notion that Congress has access to the information under the Bank Secrecy Act, which allows Congress access to financial information to search for money laundering, according to a person who has seen them.
Has Trump been indicted of money laundering? Is there anything in official with regards to this?

Or is Congress or anyone else in authority able to seize bank records because they feel like it?

“The potential use of the U.S. financial system for illicit purposes is a very serious concern,” Waters said in April when she issued the subpoenas. “The Financial Services Committee is exploring these matters, including as they may involve the President and his associates, as thoroughly as possible pursuant to its oversight authority, and will follow the facts wherever they may lead us.”
In other words, they have nothing, and this is a fishing expedition. They are "exploring these matters". It "may involve the President". They will follow the facts wherever it leads them. They are totally searching for a crime at this point.


Can Mad Max read a bank statement?


She might think all the numbers are a code to the Russians and go berserk (ummm.... more berserk).
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Old 05-23-2019, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Not to mention that if Joe six pack attempts to hide his assets or financial dealings he's in for a world of hurt if it's even suspected he's laundering money.

How Trump managed to get a casino license without divulging every financial transaction he's ever had without whining about it is a head scratcher indeed.
Yeah, lots of "gentlemen's agreements" there, shall we say.

Fascinating reading here:

"Part of the licensing process was supposed to be a deep investigation into his background, taking more than a year for would-be casino owners, but Trump managed to cut that short. As he told the story in The Art of the Deal, in 1981 he threatened to not build in Atlantic City unless New Jersey’s attorney general, John Degnan, limited the investigation to six months."

The author goes on to report that Trump didn't disclose that he was under federal investigation (seems to be a pattern, no?) at the time he was applying for the license, which should have immediately disqualified him, and yet, rather than admit their mistake and rescind the license, the licensing commission decided instead to dismiss the facts as "unreliable." (sound familiar?)

No one will ever convince me that Trump didn't apply some sort of pressure to the commission.


https://www.politico.eu/article/what...investigation/
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