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View Poll Results: Should a candidate notify the FBI when their campaign hires a foreign operative?
Yes 17 68.00%
No 2 8.00%
Only if they are Democrats 6 24.00%
Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-14-2019, 05:43 AM
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(faux) outrageous
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:50 AM
 
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(faux) outrageous
Libs?

It is weird they are ok Hillary hired a foreign spy who paid Russians to get dirt on Trump while being outraged Trump took a meeting with a Russian lawyer who came to them claiming dirt on Hillary.

Hillary soloicited it while paying a foreign spy. Shouldn't that be the worse of the two?

Additionally, when Romney was warning of the Russian threat of interference, Obama and his liberal disciples laughed.
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Libs?

It is weird they are ok Hillary hired a foreign spy who paid Russians to get dirt on Trump while being outraged Trump took a meeting with a Russian lawyer who came to them claiming dirt on Hillary.

Hillary soloicited it while paying a foreign spy. Shouldn't that be the worse of the two?

Additionally, when Romney was warning of the Russian threat of interference, Obama and his liberal disciples laughed.
Hillary "solicited" nothing. Hillary Clinton, the DNC and the Clinton campaign hired Fusion.

There is no evidence at all that any of them knew that Fusion had contacted Steele because they did not know.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.
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Old 06-14-2019, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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There is a difference between hiring a firm for information and being approached by a foreign government with 'dirt' they just want you to have.

I know you are trying to confuse the issue, and I know why you as a Trump supporter are trying to confuse the issue, but this is a false equivalence which pretty much anyone can see.


If some foreign government is offering you something unsolicited, that something ...
  • probably benefits that foreign government, and you risk becoming a compromised, unwitting and unregistered agent of a foreign government (it's not like we haven't already seen this problem in individuals of the Trump campaign ) ... plus ...
  • you are effectively accepting a campaign contribution (in kind) from foreigners, which is also a serious crime. Foreigners are not legally allowed to contribute to our election campaigns in any manner.
Let us also remember that in the case of the Steele dossier, it was originally contracted by a Republican PAC during the primary season, and when the candidate they were supporting dropped out of the running this dossier became available for purchase. So basically if there are any issues with the sourcing of the dossier one would have to question the Republican PAC which initiated the material originally. I for one would be happy to learn more about that.
The firm that was hired obtained propaganda from Russian intelligence.

That propaganda was used to gain a FISA warrant so the Obama administration could spy on the Trump campaign during an election (see Watergate break in).

The same Russian propaganda was used to initiate a coup attempt operating under color of law.

Trump said he would "probably" take a look at dirt offered on his opponent by a foreign government.

As long as it isn't illegal to do so, I would too and so would you.

Trump never said he would spy on his opponent's campaign.

Trump never said he would attempt a coup against an incoming administration.
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Old 06-14-2019, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Prove that statement.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/opini...120-story.html


Even easier when you realize that Bubba got $500,000 from Russia for a 1/2 hour "speech".

https://www.gop.com/when-russians-pa...intons-played/


Hillary Clinton-bought and paid for.
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Old 06-14-2019, 06:32 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
There is a difference between hiring a firm for information and being approached by a foreign government with 'dirt' they just want you to have.

I know you are trying to confuse the issue, and I know why you as a Trump supporter are trying to confuse the issue, but this is a false equivalence which pretty much anyone can see.


If some foreign government is offering you something unsolicited, that something ...
  • probably benefits that foreign government, and you risk becoming a compromised, unwitting and unregistered agent of a foreign government (it's not like we haven't already seen this problem in individuals of the Trump campaign ) ... plus ...
  • you are effectively accepting a campaign contribution (in kind) from foreigners, which is also a serious crime. Foreigners are not legally allowed to contribute to our election campaigns in any manner.
Let us also remember that in the case of the Steele dossier, it was originally contracted by a Republican PAC during the primary season, and when the candidate they were supporting dropped out of the running this dossier became available for purchase. So basically if there are any issues with the sourcing of the dossier one would have to question the Republican PAC which initiated the material originally. I for one would be happy to learn more about that.
We know what you mean; Orange Man Bad.
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Old 06-14-2019, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Libs?

It is weird they are ok Hillary hired a foreign spy who paid Russians to get dirt on Trump while being outraged Trump took a meeting with a Russian lawyer who came to them claiming dirt on Hillary.

Hillary solicited it while paying a foreign spy. Shouldn't that be the worse of the two?

Additionally, when Romney was warning of the Russian threat of interference, Obama and his liberal disciples laughed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM

Obama was perhaps the most clueless person ever to occupy the Oval Office. Hillary might be an even worse person, more corrupt, willing to do anything to enrich herself. But still-not as clueless as Obama.

The fact that Hillary and Co paid a foreign spy to solicit and fabricate "dirt" on Trump, while Trump merely speculated that he'd accept the same...is lost on the left. The fact that Obama used the NSA and other federal agencies to spy on a political campaign-ignored.
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Old 06-14-2019, 07:12 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
There is a difference between hiring a firm for information and being approached by a foreign government with 'dirt' they just want you to have.

I know you are trying to confuse the issue, and I know why you as a Trump supporter are trying to confuse the issue, but this is a false equivalence which pretty much anyone can see.



If some foreign government is offering you something unsolicited, that something ...
  • probably benefits that foreign government, and you risk becoming a compromised, unwitting and unregistered agent of a foreign government (it's not like we haven't already seen this problem in individuals of the Trump campaign ) ... plus ...
  • you are effectively accepting a campaign contribution (in kind) from foreigners, which is also a serious crime. Foreigners are not legally allowed to contribute to our election campaigns in any manner.
Let us also remember that in the case of the Steele dossier, it was originally contracted by a Republican PAC during the primary season, and when the candidate they were supporting dropped out of the running this dossier became available for purchase. So basically if there are any issues with the sourcing of the dossier one would have to question the Republican PAC which initiated the material originally. I for one would be happy to learn more about that.
If you are capable of being ashamed of yourself, you should be for perpetuating the lie that Republicans contracted for the Steele dossier. Rubio's campaign ended its opposition research against Trump


Even the NYTimes gave up on that fake narrative long ago:


"During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.


After Mr. Trump secured the nomination, Fusion GPS was hired on behalf of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign and the D.N.C. by their law firm, Perkins Coie, to compile research about Mr. Trump, his businesses and associates — including possible connections with Russia. It was at that point that Fusion GPS hired Mr. Steele, who has deep sourcing in Russia, to gather information."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/u...-expained.html


The routine opposition research done by all campaigns had ended. What the DNC and Clinton campaign paid for was on an entirely different level and involved getting dirt on Trump from Russian sources.
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Old 06-14-2019, 07:18 AM
 
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It's not about the vendor being foreign, which would make Trump hiring Cambridge Analytica illegal.

It's about accepting "free" campaign help from foreign governments.

Are people really too damn dumb to understand this?
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Old 06-14-2019, 07:23 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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I'm sorry. I did not see "This is a sad little transparent deflection from Trump's asinine interview yesterday" as a poll answer, so I didn't vote

HA HA HA! The republican talking points were all the same. BUT, BUT, BUT HILLARY!



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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
Libs?

It is weird they are ok Hillary hired a foreign spy who paid Russians to get dirt on Trump while being outraged Trump took a meeting with a Russian lawyer who came to them claiming dirt on Hillary.

Hillary soloicited it while paying a foreign spy. Shouldn't that be the worse of the two?

Additionally, when Romney was warning of the Russian threat of interference, Obama and his liberal disciples laughed.
Hillary hired an American firm to continue oppo research initially started by a republican candidate. She did NOT contact a foreign government and ask for help nor did she receive it.


It's really not that hard to understand.
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