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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220
There it is. You fall in the same camp.
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How many ex-cons are living under your roof?
Zero. That says everything.
Why don't you practice what you preach and let them stay in your home and help them find jobs.
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220
I'm guessing your solution would be to throw them all on an island for life like in Escape From New York......
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No, but for a 2nd felony conviction I'd settle for stripping them of citizenship and deporting them.
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220
Wrong, it's about not wanting to see them return to a life of crime after released. And if no one will hire them for a legitimate job because they're an ex con, then it's a self fulfilling prophecy....
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So, a day-care should hire a convicted child-molester to make you feel better about yourself.
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Originally Posted by boxus
Then why is there a record?
The gov can easily solve this, just delete the criminal record of the person, officially declare the person not a criminal nor having a criminal past.
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It's in the news.
High profile crimes are on TV and in print. Low profile crimes are in your local newspaper's
"blotter."
And, then, there's the matter of witnesses. Not just witnesses to a crime, but also the jurors, police, and everyone who knows the person was in prison.
Do you plan on executing them? Because if you did that, the only people left in the US would be criminals.
I won't even mention the number of
private databases that contain all kinds of information about people.
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Originally Posted by rstevens62
Well, before the advent of easy BG checks, this is generally how many companies operated, they knew it was easy for an applicant to simply lie on their application, they knew there was no easy to way to verify all that information (especially when it was out of state), but this was the standard practice for decades, BG checks really only started in the mid 90s.
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That's completely wrong.
Your understanding of America is very poor. You might want to read US Census Bureau reports from time-to-time, especially since your tax-dollars pay for those.
The Census Bureau reports you didn't read show the overwhelming majority of Americans live and die within 30 miles of the exact spot they were born. Everyone knows you and your reputation preceded you. If people didn't know you, they know your parents, aunts, uncles and siblings.
And then there's those pesky references you have to list.
Even before the internet there were private databases. You could access those by telephone and then in the 1980s by telephone modem.
The American Society of Industrial Security is another. It's not just security specialists, it's plant managers of corporations and private companies, and presidents and vice-presidents of corporations, private companies and banks and financial institutions. Security is a small world. Everybody knows everybody. And, everybody knows a cop who will for a nominal fee of $10 run an RCIC/NCIC check.
And, the data companies.
I'm absolutely certain you've never heard of Hoag.
They were a private data company that started in the 1960s like many other data companies, amassing info on people. The government used them for TSSI/TSBI security clearances. They were bought out by Lexis-Nexis in the 1990s.
There are half a dozen data companies now. They know
everything about you.
If you thought people can hide their criminal history or job history, you thought wrong.
The only thing "banning the box" does is delay hiring and increases the cost of hiring, which means less money for pay raises and benefits.
Instead of screwing one person, you screw lots of people.
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Originally Posted by ohhwanderlust
So then what do you think will happen when ex cons can't find jobs? Think they'll just go politely die in an alley?
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They can emigrate.
No one is entitled to a job. You can find one, then there's Spain or Italy, or Central/South America, Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe.
They can go work in the orchards in Italy. It pays 3000 Euros a month.
Can't afford a plane ticket? That's what tramp steamers and itinerant merchant vessels are for.
They can swab decks or cook in exchange for free passage to anywhere they want to go.
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I liked Escape from L.A. Way better. It had Peter Fonda, basketball, Tsunamis and surfboards...
