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Actually that's the truth. I've been called for jury duty before and have never been tasked with being on one at all, neither has my husband. I know a lot of lawyers and have been told that juries often don't pick certain types of people who have a certain type of background and especially those who do not trust the police or legal system in general.
I don't lie about the fact that I don't fully trust police. Many Americans, especially in 1990 had a more favorable view of police than I did. I was only 11 in 1990 but in 1989 a police officer pointed a gun at me and threatened to put me in prison after they'd attacked my father, who I walking with to the store, out of the blue. I was shocked and tried to help him and they basically threatened to kill me and imprison me. After that, I never saw them as "good guys" like a lot of naive people automatically do. I think they are a combination of good and bad, but juries are not just picked off of voter rolls. You have to go through a process and questioning and if they don't like the answer to your questions, prosecutors can remove you from consideration on juries. I've been 3 times and never picked for a jury. Once I admitted I think the criminal justice system is the last "system" that is heavily influenced by racism and racial bias and after answering the question I was magically let go from duty lol.
Both the prosecution and defense can strike prospective jurors, as can the judge for cause. Of course someone who admits they think cops or the system is racist, or believe the cops and prosecutor always get the right defendant will be stricken.
Your racialist view that all eight people of color who voted guilty could be hand-picked by the prosecutors because they knew the 8 were self-hating, ignorant, and/or were predisposed to vote guilty because of race/ethnicity is ridiculous.
btw, I don't always trust cops or prosecutors. I know all about 'testLying,'' withholding evidence, etc..
Okay so I didn't know the atmosphere in NY (when I actually studied in NY and have lived in multiple countries, I'm not an expert on NY that is for sure one doesn't have to be), I'm a millennial (news to me), because guys were in a park where a crime was committed, these guys went to jail for a crime they didn't commit and DNA exonerated them plus someone confessed to the crime who actually happened to be a serial rapist that means these guys should have stayed in jail or are guilty? Okay let's go with this!
Oh and I forgot, all black people commit crimes. Police officers are innocent and have never profiled, harassed, terrorized, haven't wrongfully arrested or obstructed justice, nor killed men of color for just being men of color. But I've ignored the facts or made them up because I watched a Netflix special. Okay!!!!
Not one person that was beaten in the park identified the exonerated CP5 guys as beating them up, they did identify others that did beat them. But somehow I've made this up and because where I have lived including NY makes me not understand the case. Oh and I base this on a vlog? Many people being let out of jail to this day, why? That is because they were wrongfully accused of crimes they did not commit.
The lack of empathy is part of the reason there are such divisions across classes and race. I didn't create slavery or Jim Crow laws and the outcomes of what has happened to black people of today. Police partake in the systematic divide and terrorism and aren't tried because they have a system in place to protect them. All cops aren't bad but my belief in that waivers daily. Had the cops and prosecutors done their job they would have found the real rapist before he killed and raped others.
For anyone to say that racism played no part in the arrest and conviction of the case it played a major factor for how the young men were treated! You don't need to be an expert on NY culture of the time you need to be a human being
"Following the arrest of the five teenagers, Mr Trump paid for newspaper adverts calling for the return of the death penalty in the state.
The Central Park Five were exonerated in 2002, after another man confessed.
They say their earlier confessions were a result of police coercion"
"They put a bounty on our heads by taking out these full-page ads calling for our deaths," one of the men, Yusef Salaam, said last month.
Mr Trump was asked by a reporter at the White House on Tuesday if he would apologize to the five men for the newspaper ads.
"You have people on both sides of that. They admitted their guilt. If you look at Linda Fairstein and if you look at some of the prosecutors, they think that the city should never have settled that case. So we'll leave it at that."
Donald J. Trump
'Both sides' again, it's always 'both sides' with that guy ... Very odd.
Trump is not getting any younger, it may be worthwhile for him to make an examination of conscience (just to be on the safe side). No time like the present.
At least Bush was finally able to say "I was wrong". Trump is incapable of doing so.
Everyone has an opinion, the difference here is he is a public figure. I am sure there are many who are not public figures who aren't so convinced of their innocents.
Okay so I didn't know the atmosphere in NY (when I actually studied in NY and have lived in multiple countries, I'm not an expert on NY that is for sure one doesn't have to be), I'm a millennial (news to me), because guys were in a park where a crime was committed, these guys went to jail for a crime they didn't commit and DNA exonerated them plus someone confessed to the crime who actually happened to be a serial rapist that means these guys should have stayed in jail or are guilty? Okay let's go with this!
Oh and I forgot, all black people commit crimes. Police officers are innocent and have never profiled, harassed, terrorized, haven't wrongfully arrested or obstructed justice, nor killed men of color for just being men of color. But I've ignored the facts or made them up because I watched a Netflix special. Okay!!!!
Not one person that was beaten in the park identified the exonerated CP5 guys as beating them up, they did identify others that did beat them. But somehow I've made this up and because where I have lived including NY makes me not understand the case. Oh and I base this on a vlog? Many people being let out of jail to this day, why? That is because they were wrongfully accused of crimes they did not commit.
The lack of empathy is part of the reason there are such divisions across classes and race. I didn't create slavery or Jim Crow laws and the outcomes of what has happened to black people of today. Police partake in the systematic divide and terrorism and aren't tried because they have a system in place to protect them. All cops aren't bad but my belief in that waivers daily. Had the cops and prosecutors done their job they would have found the real rapist before he killed and raped others.
For anyone to say that racism played no part in the arrest and conviction of the case it played a major factor for how the young men were treated! You don't need to be an expert on NY culture of the time you need to be a human being
Racism did play its part. Racism is not the only key factor in this. Only moralist like yourself only see racism is the defining motivator to have the CP5 in prison.
I've been called many names on these forums and I'll embrace moralist. You would think the people put into positions of power would have a moral compass.
What I see is that:
1. Teenage boys were questioned about park attacks.
2. These teens (who were minors at the time) were questioned and detained without their parents, bathroom breaks, or food
3. Most waived their miranda rights without knowledge of knowing what this meant
4. There were over 3k rapes in the city of NY amongst other criminal activity and the NY government issued a crack down
5. At some point park attacks led to coerced confessions of rape where the same detained minors didn't even know one another not did their stories even match one another.
6. These teenagers were arrested and convicted not because of the evidence but in spite of it because it was easier to believe that these black/hispanic kids were guilty. At this time a lot of people were going to jail including people of color a conviction was easier to obtain because the public had a perception of black people being the boogiemen. When you see enough people of color going to jail you tend to believe they must all be guilty.
7. The real rapist came forward and his DNA was the only DNA that linked him to the crime. He said that he "never committed major crimes with other people", he also said that he "didn't have sex with the victim, that he raped her"
8. These teenagers spent a great deal of the most important years of their lives in jail while others got to teach, take vacations, retire, and or write books.
I see that people of color are more likely to go to jail for crimes they didn't commit or they are being killed because of the color of their skin color/inherent deep seeded racism.
In addition if it were up to me I would cancel any business dealing I had with anyone that knowingly participated in wrongdoing as it relates to law enforcement. I strongly believe that in order for people to even respect it at this point many reforms need to made ASAP!It should never be allowed for officers to join a police force just 6 months after training, they should know and understand the law, should have more than a HS diploma/GED, and if they break the law including shoot unarmed people they should go to jail.
My beliefs are not because I've watched a Netflix special but because I've lived my life with eyes open and I am tired of the home born terrorism and injustices we witness on a daily basis. These guys didn't get a pass why should the responsible parties get off so easily?
I've been called many names on these forums and I'll embrace moralist. You would think the people put into positions of power would have a moral compass.
What I see is that:
1. Teenage boys were questioned about park attacks.
2. These teens (who were minors at the time) were questioned and detained without their parents, bathroom breaks, or food
3. Most waived their miranda rights without knowledge of knowing what this meant
4. There were over 3k rapes in the city of NY amongst other criminal activity and the NY government issued a crack down
5. At some point park attacks led to coerced confessions of rape where the same detained minors didn't even know one another not did their stories even match one another.
6. These teenagers were arrested and convicted not because of the evidence but in spite of it because it was easier to believe that these black/hispanic kids were guilty. At this time a lot of people were going to jail including people of color a conviction was easier to obtain because the public had a perception of black people being the boogiemen. When you see enough people of color going to jail you tend to believe they must all be guilty.
7. The real rapist came forward and his DNA was the only DNA that linked him to the crime. He said that he "never committed major crimes with other people", he also said that he "didn't have sex with the victim, that he raped her"
8. These teenagers spent a great deal of the most important years of their lives in jail while others got to teach, take vacations, retire, and or write books.
I see that people of color are more likely to go to jail for crimes they didn't commit or they are being killed because of the color of their skin color/inherent deep seeded racism.
In addition if it were up to me I would cancel any business dealing I had with anyone that knowingly participated in wrongdoing as it relates to law enforcement. I strongly believe that in order for people to even respect it at this point many reforms need to made ASAP!It should never be allowed for officers to join a police force just 6 months after training, they should know and understand the law, should have more than a HS diploma/GED, and if they break the law including shoot unarmed people they should go to jail.
My beliefs are not because I've watched a Netflix special but because I've lived my life with eyes open and I am tired of the home born terrorism and injustices we witness on a daily basis. These guys didn't get a pass why should the responsible parties get off so easily?
At least Bush was finally able to say "I was wrong". Trump is incapable of doing so.
Thank you!! Bush wasn't the best President we could have. He wasn't very smart. He made some bad decisions. However, I can say this about him. I have far more respect for him than I ever will for Trump. Bush had enough humility to admit "My fault, I take responsibility". Trump could be dead wrong, and know it, and refuse to apologize. He won't apologize because Trump has a strongman complex. And being of the "strongman" mentality, apologizing is the equivalent to admitting weakness. He would lose face. There is a difference between doing wrong and admitting wrong doing. Alot of people, including Trump, knows that he did wrong. However, when it comes to "strongmen", admitting to wrong doing is basically saying "I'm not capable".
Okay so I didn't know the atmosphere in NY (when I actually studied in NY and have lived in multiple countries, I'm not an expert on NY that is for sure one doesn't have to be), I'm a millennial (news to me), because guys were in a park where a crime was committed, these guys went to jail for a crime they didn't commit and DNA exonerated them . . . .
DNA did not exonerate them. The DNA evidence was entirely irrelevant to whether they also committed the same crime. We always knew more than one person attacked the jogger.
Relevance? Shall we vacate every conviction in NY state?
Did you know that blacks have a violent crime offense rate 8x the rate of whites?
That minimizes the problem. What we all care about is unprovoked violence against strangers. And in that regard, the disparity is many times greater.
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