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They also claim the entire strait of Hormuz as their territorial waters. Not a whole lot of credibility there. I do believe that conflict is a foregone conclusion in this penile swinging contest. We have been heading down the trail to a shootout with Iran since 1978.
It can be argued that Iran is the "innocent" victim here till Gabriel toots on his trumpet but it won't change anything. Things were a lot more tense than this back in 88. I remember that pretty well. Iranian fast boats vs Marine Corps Cobra attack helicopters.
I recall one instance where a newsie chopper got to close to a patrol area and were sent packing by the Marines with a stern warning. The newsies got some good footage of the Cobras. A few fast boats got smoked, the Iranians blustered and howled "death to America". They drew a "line of death" like Khaddafi did in the Med. The Navy come along and snorted it.
The situation now is very similar to what it was then. Trump has been far kinder than Reagan was though. He has shown restraint that Reagan said the hell with. The way the Dems are howling about warmongering and how Trump is provoking Iran you would think that 88 never happened. Under the ROE that Reagan implemented the SAM site that fired the missile that took this drone out would be a smoking hole in the ground. Maybe a few other sites as well.
I also remember what happened with Libya and their entire coastal defense system of SAM sites. The Navy took every single one out and the Air Force types flew in unopposed and bombed Tripoli. Khaddaffi never knew what hit him. Could be that Iran just needs a reminder of just who they're picking a fight with. Contrary to what the leftists are screaming Trump doesn't want an actual war with Iran. But if we are going to make any headway with them in any negotiations we need to be dealing from a position of strength.
Iran needs to know that they are under our knife. Islamowackos don't understand any thing else. If we did things the way the Islamists understand in Iraq and Afghanistan Al Queda and the Taliban would have been a lot more reluctant to fight. They would have seen us as "civilized" by their standards if we had been lopping off heads and putting them on pikes.
It doesn't matter a fart in a high wind what the US may have done in the past to **** off the Iranians. Bombing, civilian casualties, drone strikes whatever across the ME, our alliance with Israel and just the fact that the US is not an Islamic country. All by themselves would be enough for Iran to hate us. No matter the cause it is what it is and we need to deal with it.
The drone was in their airspace by Irans standards as were those tankers that got hit. They don't operate by international Maritime and aviation rules. Like it or not we can ill afford to back down and be all touchy feely. It doesn't even have to wind up in an all out war with invasion forces and ground troops. Matter of fact if we play things right that won't even be a possibility. Just like what happened 30 years ago Iran just needs a reminder of what the US Navy can do by itself.
All the crying, hand wringing and excuses for Iran's attitude aside. Again it doesn't matter how we got here. Fact is we are here.
So the Iranians, who apparently do not have the resources to fight a war with the USA and win, are trying to provoke a war with the USA.
Hard to get my head around that logic.
The warmongers do not want you to think about this in any logical way. They want you to wave your flag, mindlessly cheer your warmonger president and send your children to die. You know, the usual "patriotic" drill we get from warmongers like Bolton and Cheney and Rumsfeld.
And apparently there are a whole lot of people who will obediently oblige. Again.
They also claim the entire strait of Hormuz as their territorial waters. Not a whole lot of credibility there. I do believe that conflict is a foregone conclusion in this penile swinging contest. We have been heading down the trail to a shootout with Iran since 1978.
It can be argued that Iran is the "innocent" victim here till Gabriel toots on his trumpet but it won't change anything. Things were a lot more tense than this back in 88. I remember that pretty well. Iranian fast boats vs Marine Corps Cobra attack helicopters.
I recall one instance where a newsie chopper got to close to a patrol area and were sent packing by the Marines with a stern warning. The newsies got some good footage of the Cobras. A few fast boats got smoked, the Iranians blustered and howled "death to America". They drew a "line of death" like Khaddafi did in the Med. The Navy come along and snorted it.
The situation now is very similar to what it was then. Trump has been far kinder than Reagan was though. He has shown restraint that Reagan said the hell with. The way the Dems are howling about warmongering and how Trump is provoking Iran you would think that 88 never happened. Under the ROE that Reagan implemented the SAM site that fired the missile that took this drone out would be a smoking hole in the ground. Maybe a few other sites as well.
I also remember what happened with Libya and their entire coastal defense system of SAM sites. The Navy took every single one out and the Air Force types flew in unopposed and bombed Tripoli. Khaddaffi never knew what hit him. Could be that Iran just needs a reminder of just who they're picking a fight with. Contrary to what the leftists are screaming Trump doesn't want an actual war with Iran. But if we are going to make any headway with them in any negotiations we need to be dealing from a position of strength.
Iran needs to know that they are under our knife. Islamowackos don't understand any thing else. If we did things the way the Islamists understand in Iraq and Afghanistan Al Queda and the Taliban would have been a lot more reluctant to fight. They would have seen us as "civilized" by their standards if we had been lopping off heads and putting them on pikes.
It doesn't matter a fart in a high wind what the US may have done in the past to **** off the Iranians. Bombing, civilian casualties, drone strikes whatever across the ME, our alliance with Israel and just the fact that the US is not an Islamic country. All by themselves would be enough for Iran to hate us. No matter the cause it is what it is and we need to deal with it.
The drone was in their airspace by Irans standards as were those tankers that got hit. They don't operate by international Maritime and aviation rules. Like it or not we can ill afford to back down and be all touchy feely. It doesn't even have to wind up in an all out war with invasion forces and ground troops. Matter of fact if we play things right that won't even be a possibility. Just like what happened 30 years ago Iran just needs a reminder of what the US Navy can do by itself.
All the crying, hand wringing and excuses for Iran's attitude aside. Again it doesn't matter how we got here. Fact is we are here.
If we were Iran and anyone was flying drones in the straights of Hormuz we’d shoot it down. International is 200 miles from the coast. Nothing in the straights of Hormuz is 200 miles from Iran.
Not if they are spying on Trump !!! The CIA and FBI will be in for the assist !!!
No evidence they used drones to do it but its still an ongoing investigation !!!
Don't let that $180 bother you to much.
Tech. cost money here !!! We aren't like China stealing it and getting it for free !!! Yet !!!
Deducing your allegiance is as mystifying as your posts!
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