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Why don't you go spend some real time in Europe. You have had your jaws jacked here for having no idea what's going on with BRexit beyond some talking points you googled up from the NYT.
Furthermore the statement that you know what 100s of millions of people that you don't know think of the EU the UK or anything else is laughable.. The fact remains that Boris is doing exactly what he was elected to do. Take back the sovereignty of the UK, including it's borders from Brussels. And that, scares those same politicians more than anything else. And it really doesn't matter what someone things who is against BRexit simply because the President of the USA supports it.
Straight from the Trump playbook. Yammering on ad nauseum isn’t fooling me. You don’t know ANYTHING about Europe. Nothing. You’ve probably never even left your state. You’re not exhibiting any knowledge here...just diarrhea of the keyboard. Some folks here are apparently impressed, but I’m not.
I lived in Europe for 13 years, so it’s easy to see that you’re informed by nothing more than right wing Trumpian sentiment. You’d never even heard of Great Britain before Trump got elected. You had a plate of fish n chips, and now you’re trying to pass yourself off as an expert of some sort.
The EU have no choice but to punish us. Any other course may encourage other potential leavers like Italy. The number one priority for the EU is holding the line. Theresa May allowed the EU to dominate negotiations. As a remainer at heart, she was totally wrong for the job she was given. The civil service Mandarins also are remainers. The only chance we ever had was a team of hard line Brexiteers fighting our corner. Three years since the vote have been wasted.
We now have a PM determined to deliver Brexit. Part of this determination is knowing the very survival of the political party he leads is at stake. I have no doubt there is a behind the scenes clear out of civil service remainers going on right now. He has to have a top to bottom team determined to deliver Brexit. If he fails, then the Tory party will be decimated by the angry voters after a General Election is forced by a vote of confidence lost by Boris Johnson in Parliament.
The problem the EU have in attempts to hurt and punish us, is at the same time, they will hurt themselves. A hard Brexit won't just cost jobs in the UK. Angela Merkel is very aware how many German jobs depend on trade with the UK.
But, if bad feeling all round takes deep root, then a cold war situation will become the norm, and a way back to a trade deal will be very difficult to achieve. The more the EU tries to hurt us, the more the UK will look for ways to return the favour. After delivering Brexit, Johnson would pick his moment to call an election. The EU being seen to be trying to damage us further economically would I believe, have the effect on the British people of forming a bunker mentality, and maybe, with the support of Nigel Farage, enable the Tories to win, and become ever more right wing.
At times like this, after a farcical period in politics, the opposition Labour Party should be odds on for a massive electoral victory. But, the leader of that party is held in high suspicion by much of the voting population. He has been a hater of the EU for decades, but under pressure from within his party, has been forced to now state he wants to remain in the EU. Boris Johnson was not slow in pointing this out yesterday in Parliament. The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has a history of supporting terrorists, even inviting IRA members into his Parliament office for talks, while they were still killing British soldiers, and innocent civilians. Many traditional supporters of the Labour party, will not vote for this man.
Also, Nigel Farage, as he proved in the recent Euro elections, came from literally nowhere, to gain 29 seats. His Brexit party will take votes from both Labour and the Tories in a General election. We could end up with another minority government needing the support of others to take power. If Labour need help from the likes of the Scottish SNP, they will demand a high price. The idea of the Scots, helping Labour form a government, would infuriate the English voters. The very Scots, who are demanding yet another election for remaining as part of the UK. It would be Labour shaking hands with the devil, if that is what it takes, to form a government of a massively majority population of the UK of English people.
These are perilous times for the UK. The country is split practically down the middle on EU membership. But, a vote was given, and promises made the result either way would stand, and be carried out. Against the odds, leave won. This democratic vote must be carried out, before we can move on, and put this mess behind us. It will be hard going forward, but in the home of democracy, the will of the people must be carried out. Doesn't matter if this hurts us economically, we knew this when we voted. It is the price of regaining control of our borders, and laws. We know what we're dealing with when it comes to the EU. These last few years have proved to us, we need to get out of this poisonous club.
The UK is in a precarious situation, but all ends well if Johnson delivers Brexit. I honestly don't see how this happens without a No Deal Brexit, and frankly that's always been the threat that the UK should have been pushing front-and-center in the negotiations. No deal is bad for everybody and it makes a huge mess for the EU too. "Give us a sane deal or we'll just screw everyone and call it a day." Theresa May was too busy kissing their asses and begging their forgiveness to realize it was her strongest negotiating tool. She was a remainer and frankly in love with the who idea of the EU, so this is no great surprise. But she got Brussels used to the idea of having the UK's face buried firmly in the EU's proverbial ass, I get the feeling they won't listen when a team of hardline Brexiters start talking to them.
What you and most Brits don't get: Their own version of South Carolina just seceded, they're being told to get the hell outa Fort Sumter, they have no army and no means of compelling anyone to stay in their Union and they're just f--ked. If they abuse the UK, Italy is probably going to leave out of fear. If they are nice to the UK, Italy leaves anyways. We'll see what France looks like after Macron is gone, but I expect that the same thing happens there. Spain won't sit there and just take being the single point of entry for mass illegal migration in the Western Med for long, so they'll have their own grass-roots EU Exit movement soon enough. Keep pushing Poland and Hungary to force them to take in all the economic migrants claiming they are refugees and they'll start wanting to leave. Germany has a growing movement of discontent as well. I think that the EU should be a lot more concerned with saving their very existence from oblivion at this point.
The UK should start making nice with the USA. It's kinda weird but it's not much different than how we see Canada. Americans tend to see the UK as ... there isn't a good word for it, but part of one bigger nation with us. In a time of need the USA will likely be more than generous in order to offset any EU shenanigans. Probably won't hurt that Boris and Donald Trump are practically twins.
The UK is in a precarious situation, but all ends well if Johnson delivers Brexit. I honestly don't see how this happens without a No Deal Brexit, and frankly that's always been the threat that the UK should have been pushing front-and-center in the negotiations. No deal is bad for everybody and it makes a huge mess for the EU too. "Give us a sane deal or we'll just screw everyone and call it a day." Theresa May was too busy kissing their asses and begging their forgiveness to realize it was her strongest negotiating tool. She was a remainer and frankly in love with the who idea of the EU, so this is no great surprise. But she got Brussels used to the idea of having the UK's face buried firmly in the EU's proverbial ass, I get the feeling they won't listen when a team of hardline Brexiters start talking to them.
What you and most Brits don't get: Their own version of South Carolina just seceded, they're being told to get the hell outa Fort Sumter, they have no army and no means of compelling anyone to stay in their Union and they're just f--ked. If they abuse the UK, Italy is probably going to leave out of fear. If they are nice to the UK, Italy leaves anyways. We'll see what France looks like after Macron is gone, but I expect that the same thing happens there. Spain won't sit there and just take being the single point of entry for mass illegal migration in the Western Med for long, so they'll have their own grass-roots EU Exit movement soon enough. Keep pushing Poland and Hungary to force them to take in all the economic migrants claiming they are refugees and they'll start wanting to leave. Germany has a growing movement of discontent as well. I think that the EU should be a lot more concerned with saving their very existence from oblivion at this point.
The UK should start making nice with the USA. It's kinda weird but it's not much different than how we see Canada. Americans tend to see the UK as ... there isn't a good word for it, but part of one bigger nation with us. In a time of need the USA will likely be more than generous in order to offset any EU shenanigans. Probably won't hurt that Boris and Donald Trump are practically twins.
It's quite simple, there are three stages to this.
1. The Terms of Leaving including any financial settlement.
2. A Trade Agreement
3. Future Relations including cooperation in defence and security.
If we can't achieve the first two then the third can no longer be sustained, as you can't possible be in a close defence, security or other calloboration that you can't have good relations with or free and open trade.
To this end the Lancaster House Treaties must be scrapped on the 1st November 2019 and all British membership of European defence and security agreements suspended until the first two measures can be sorted out, and this would include military exercises and deployments.
In terms of Parliament, the default situation is that we leave on the 31st October, and the EU has stated it would only ever offer us a further extension in order to tie up a deal and for no other reason. Therefore we leave whether Parliament likes it or not.
The UK is in a precarious situation, but all ends well if Johnson delivers Brexit. I honestly don't see how this happens without a No Deal Brexit, and frankly that's always been the threat that the UK should have been pushing front-and-center in the negotiations. No deal is bad for everybody and it makes a huge mess for the EU too. "Give us a sane deal or we'll just screw everyone and call it a day." Theresa May was too busy kissing their asses and begging their forgiveness to realize it was her strongest negotiating tool. She was a remainer and frankly in love with the who idea of the EU, so this is no great surprise. But she got Brussels used to the idea of having the UK's face buried firmly in the EU's proverbial ass, I get the feeling they won't listen when a team of hardline Brexiters start talking to them.
What you and most Brits don't get: Their own version of South Carolina just seceded, they're being told to get the hell outa Fort Sumter, they have no army and no means of compelling anyone to stay in their Union and they're just f--ked. If they abuse the UK, Italy is probably going to leave out of fear. If they are nice to the UK, Italy leaves anyways. We'll see what France looks like after Macron is gone, but I expect that the same thing happens there. Spain won't sit there and just take being the single point of entry for mass illegal migration in the Western Med for long, so they'll have their own grass-roots EU Exit movement soon enough. Keep pushing Poland and Hungary to force them to take in all the economic migrants claiming they are refugees and they'll start wanting to leave. Germany has a growing movement of discontent as well. I think that the EU should be a lot more concerned with saving their very existence from oblivion at this point.
The UK should start making nice with the USA. It's kinda weird but it's not much different than how we see Canada. Americans tend to see the UK as ... there isn't a good word for it, but part of one bigger nation with us. In a time of need the USA will likely be more than generous in order to offset any EU shenanigans. Probably won't hurt that Boris and Donald Trump are practically twins.
It is hard to see a way forward in negotiations with the EU. They say the agreement which Theresa May accepted, is the only one, and no reopening of the agreement will happen. Boris Johnson says the Irish backstop built into the agreement is unacceptable. Parliament three times refused to vote the deal through with the backstop.
If it came into play, which it would, if a trade deal was not made after a certain amount of time, we would be trapped in a limbo between being in the EU, and out of it. We would be unable to sign up to any new trade deals as a free country. We would be a pawn in the EU's game. They know this is true, and so do we. There is never going to be a British government willing to sign up to this agreement. Theresa May needed her bumps feeling, ever agreeing to the backstop. By doing so, this led to her losing her job as Prime Minister.
It has felt like the country has been in some sort of coma for many months now. Lethargic, fatalistic, angry. We have watched our leader, Theresa May running to the EU at their beck and call. Laughing at her, and not always behind her back. Well, we have had quite enough of that. We want a leader with some guts, and if he has to, take us over the cliff. There is not much time, and we need to prepare as best we can for a no deal exit from the EU. They are used to getting their own way, and feeling invulnerable. But, as you say, the cracks are showing, and growing wider within the EU.
We Brits are an island race. We don't feel truly connected with the EU, and have never really been enthusiastic members. We don't like being dictated to by the likes of Juncker and Tusk. Already, Juncker has rushed to inform Boris Johnson that there will be no renegotiation of the Brexit deal, but did manage to pass on his personal phone number, just in case Boris wants a chat. No more of that. No more running over to the EU like naughty schoolchildren. Boris Johnson should give Juncker HIS phone number, and leave it at that. No more time spent talking with these people. It is a waste of time. All effort now will be needed to get us out of the EU October 31st. Our new PM has enough on his plate dealing with politicians here trying to stop him.
We need to concentrate ourselves on old relationships with countries like the USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Try and built stronger relationships with rising countries like India. The EU, especially countries within it like France, will try and damage us economically. A lesson needs to be dished out as warning to anybody within the EU even dreaming of following a similar path to the UK. It's going to be hard for us. It's the price we will have to pay for ever allowing ourselves to be tied so closely to Europe.
Maybe in a few years, there will be a chance to patch things up with the EU. As time passes, there will be new leadership. Obviously some kind of trade deal is in all our interests. But right now, the atmosphere is too poisonous. We need to let time pass, and the anger subside.
Told you so. For you it's not about BRexit. It's about Trump supporting BRexit.
This is about Boris Johnson, and now that he's make his plan clear, and already done some house cleaning to get it done, Europe is waking up to the stark reality that BRexit IS going to happen whether they like it or not, AND the deal they put out on the table, Johnson has tossed out as unacceptable. It's great to watch.
Told you so. For you it's not about BRexit. It's about Trump supporting BRexit.
This is about Boris Johnson, and now that he's make his plan clear, and already done some house cleaning to get it done, Europe is waking up to the stark reality that BRexit IS going to happen whether they like it or not, AND the deal they put out on the table, Johnson has tossed out as unacceptable. It's great to watch.
For you, it was always about Trump.
If Trump flipped the script and said that he’s now against Brexit, you’d be against Brexit.
Sorry, Trump is the polar opposite of Boris, and it is the extreme left who want, desperately, to connect them. Boris is, after today, neither left, or right, he is about Britain, and I hope he is not pulling one ( if he is he is in trouble) but even the labour left mayor of London Any Burnham, sided with him today. Boris is turbo-charged
A huge amount of imports into the Uk fuel our massive Eastern Eurpoean population ( we were told only 23,000 would apply) but have a E European population of 3.2 million!. Most lorries on our roads are from Poland, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria ( you don't see many German, Dutch, French, Swedish lorries lol) Most imports from the EU, fuel our massive east European population, who don't buy British goods.
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