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Old Today, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The problem once on this list removing them is impossibly hard even if the population has recovered. It's being used as back door measure for environmental regulations, e.g. instead of banning the gun you ban lead which is actually something "environmental" groups tried whose members just happened to be anti-gun.


There is extremes on both sides, you have some capitalists that could care less and on the other side you have environmentalists that would ban everything. Neither should be acceptable, sane and practical regulations the meets the needs of everyone is what is required.
Yes hard to remove a species from the list but certainly not impossible since that has been the case. But back to the point of these changes, why ignore climate change and why a dollar figure on preventing extinction of a species.
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Old Today, 08:30 AM
 
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Pronounced locust mentality is a distinct mental feature a rightwinger, it is not wonder Trump pander to his base and fellow billionaire class who actually benefit financially from extermination activities.
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Old Today, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Yes hard to remove a species from the list but certainly not impossible since that has been the case. But back to the point of these changes, why ignore climate change and why a dollar figure on preventing extinction of a species.
What has any of this to do with removing species from the endangered list, climate change or extinction.
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Old Today, 08:54 AM
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Location: Self explanatory
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Pronounced locust mentality is a distinct mental feature a rightwinger, it is not wonder Trump pander to his base and fellow billionaire class who actually benefit financially from extermination activities.
Opens up the variety of animals Eric can hunt.
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Old Today, 08:56 AM
 
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... why ignore climate change and why a dollar figure on preventing extinction of a species.

Not going to get into the climate change debate, it's pointless exercise of posting graphs and links. <yawn>


As far as the economic concerns you cannot eliminate all risk. If you want a clear example look at all the environmental hurdles to build or replace a bridge over a waterway. A lot of these projects spend more time and resources in review and bureaucratic quagmire than building it. There was small bridge near me they replaced a few years back, as they were demolishing it they passed ADA which required them to go back to the drawing board and make it ADA compliant. This of course triggered a new review of environmental impact, 3 years to complete something that took about 1 or 2 months of actual work.


There is another major roadway near me that had large pipe for creek under it that collapsed, I'm wondering if this is going to be another 2 or 3 year project since they weren't able to do the reviews before it became an issue. It's been closed for 6 months now, if this was 30 years ago it would of been done deal after a month.
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Old Today, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Cumberland Co., TN
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Not going to get into the climate change debate, it's pointless exercise of posting graphs and links. <yawn>


As far as the economic concerns you cannot eliminate all risk. If you want a clear example look at all the environmental hurdles to build or replace a bridge over a waterway. A lot of these projects spend more time and resources in review and bureaucratic quagmire than building it. There was small bridge near me they replaced a few years back, as they were demolishing it they passed ADA which required them to go back to the drawing board and make it ADA compliant. This of course triggered a new review of environmental impact, 3 years to complete something that took about 1 or 2 months of actual work.


There is another major roadway near me that had large pipe for creek under it that collapsed, I'm wondering if this is going to be another 2 or 3 year project since they weren't able to do the reviews before it became an issue. It's been closed for 6 months now, if this was 30 years ago it would of been done deal after a month.
I dont think a lot of people realize what goes on before any construction commences. A part of what my company does consists of stream assessment and environmental impact studies for bridge and road construction including the presence of endangered and threatened species and endangered species relocation.
The changes being proposed are not going to change any of these requirements.
Now if they could pass some legislation requiring states to expedite the processing of permits, that would be great.
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Old Today, 09:45 AM
 
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I dont think a lot of people realize what goes on before any construction commences. A part of what my company does consists of stream assessment and environmental impact studies for bridge and road construction including the presence of endangered and threatened species and endangered species relocation.
The changes being proposed are not going to change any of these requirements.
Now if they could pass some legislation requiring states to expedite the processing of permits, that would be great.
Why would that be great?
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Old Today, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Horrible idea. Richard M. Nixon is probably rolling in his grave over this one.
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Old Today, 09:50 AM
 
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It's not fetting rid of it altogether, it's simply making it so it's not iron clad, "Nothing can be done to the long beak mosquitoe. It's endangered; therefore, we protect it no matter what regardless if it's the only way Hookie Doxie Disease is spread."

The current act is akin to having a speed limit that can never be broken regardless if it's an ambulance going to a catastrophe or a fire truck going to a high rise fire.

Zero tolerance rules are ridiculous.
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Old Today, 09:52 AM
 
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I'll bet the same people upset that a snail might become extinct aren't very upset about the wind farms taking out thousands of birds.
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