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Old 09-11-2019, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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The naïveté and emotional nature of the current POTUS is my number one reason for voting against him. He’s not fit to be a leader. Effective leaders have humility and competence.
I’m not Trumps biggest fan, he definitely is not presidential. However he is a much better choice than the radicals running against him. Do you support the green new deal? Universal basic income? Free college and healthcare? If you do then who is paying? Am I paying? Who has their assert”redistributed and who gets a freebie? Are you a socialist? Who is paying?

If you don’t believe in these things then you should consider holding your nose and using your brain and cast a reluctant vote for trump. At least with Trump we maintain our capitalist system that has served our nation well.

 
Old 09-11-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Old, conservative, male white people vote heavily enough to put their candidates in office and keep them there.
I am old, female and white and voted in every election since age 18 for non-war-mongers and for Pres. Obama twice.
Young people are out living their lives, trying to pay their bills.
Old white people sit around just waiting to vote, the only power they have left.

The way voting was set up in the US at the end of the Civil War is responsible for national elections where a candidate WINS the popular vote and yet can lose because of the Electoral College. It's rigged.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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I'll be voting Democrat for my first time in a national election in 2020. Couldn't bring myself to vote for Hillary in 2016 because I was still too fresh out of the church. Was disgusted by Trump so I voted third party. Not that the state I live in really matters anyways.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 09:13 AM
 
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Do not speak to me as if I don’t understand how government works. I get sick of liberal efforts to demean their opponents by challenging their level of education and intelligence. The naivety and emotional nature of liberals suggests the opposite may be true anyway. Democrats already control the house and if they win the White House it’s very likely they will win the senate as well. When leftists candidates say they want a green new deal, free healthcare and college and a universal basic income I expect them to attempt to implement these programs. I will ask you leftists again......who is paying for this?
Don’t speak as if you don’t know how government works then.

What presidential candidates say about such things is fluff. Even if Democrats controlled all branches I wouldn’t expect that to pass. How many Democrat senators voted for the Green New Deal? 0. Some voted against it.

I’m not a Democrat, but I do give them some credit for actually proposing ways to pay for those things. Rather than what the Republicans have been doing just needlessly running up the debt and only pretending to be fiscal conservatives when not in power.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 09:17 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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As long as they vote to build the Wall and keep illegal aliens out of the United States, I’m good with most everything else they do.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Don’t speak as if you don’t know how government works then.

What presidential candidates say about such things is fluff. Even if Democrats controlled all branches I wouldn’t expect that to pass. How many Democrat senators voted for the Green New Deal? 0. Some voted against it.

I’m not a Democrat, but I do give them some credit for actually proposing ways to pay for those things. Rather than what the Republicans have been doing just needlessly running up the debt and only pretending to be fiscal conservatives when not in power.
What the presidential candidates say is NOT fluff. I take them at their word, when they claim to support radical programs that the nation cannot afford I do expect to see them attempt to implement them. If just one of the radical ideas make it through Congress it would be terrible for the country. What they claim to believe in is one of the key ways we choose a candidate. A candidate claims to support the green new deal then I hold them to account for the green new deal and envision the nation living with that policy.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Old, conservative, male white people vote heavily enough to put their candidates in office and keep them there.
I am old, female and white and voted in every election since age 18 for non-war-mongers and for Pres. Obama twice.
Young people are out living their lives, trying to pay their bills.
Old white people sit around just waiting to vote, the only power they have left.

The way voting was set up in the US at the end of the Civil War is responsible for national elections where a candidate WINS the popular vote and yet can lose because of the Electoral College. It's rigged.
It is absolutely false that voting is the only power old people have left. That’s an incorrect and disempowering mindset.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 09:28 AM
 
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What the presidential candidates say is NOT fluff. I take them at their word, when they claim to support radical programs that the nation cannot afford I do expect to see them attempt to implement them. If just one of the radical ideas make it through Congress it would be terrible for the country. What they claim to believe in is one of the key ways we choose a candidate. A candidate claims to support the green new deal then I hold them to account for the green new deal and envision the nation living with that policy.
Do you recall what Trump said about healthcare as a candidate?

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

Among many other grandiose socialist promises. Who will pay for that?

Did you vote for Hillary? Economically she was more conservative than Trump.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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I think I know what you're saying, and I agree. I thought us Baby Boomers were the generation of peace, love, tolerance and civil rights. Well, it seems at least half of them never got the memo. They've turned into cranky old conservatives who are afraid of immigrants and minorities. They'll be happy as long as you cut their taxes and jack up the military (but keep your hands off their social security).

Perhaps not surprisingly, the Boomers have turned out to be the Selfish Generation, and I really hope for X'ers and Millennials to start voting more so we can right this ship.
 
Old 09-11-2019, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Gen X does vote, they just never threw temper tantrums in the streets like the millennials of today or like the boomers did in the 60s and 70s. It is the Gen X raised up on Reagan and the now conservative boomer generation standing in the way of the millennial dreams of socialism and free stuff. You kids better just give it up and go get a job and earn it like an American should.
I’m comparing gen x when they were of comparative age to gen z.

My peers when I was 18-25 didn’t vote.
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