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You are incorrect. The overall policy was coordinated among the US, EU, and IMF. The original suggestion that Shokin needed to be removed came from the US embassy in Kiev. There is nothing in Vox's summary that conflicts with other reputable sources:
"[T]he manner in which he [Shokin] was running his office also concerned the US ambassador to Ukraine, who said publicly in September 2015 that the office was “subverting” the UK’s investigation.
Concern at the embassy mounted, and by 2016, officials there began suggesting the Obama administration push for the prosecutor general’s ouster. In particular, the embassy suggested that $1 billion in loan guarantees the country hoped to receive from the US in order to stay solvent should be tied to a tougher anti-corruption strategy that involved removing officials seen as blocking progress, namely Shokin.
It wasn’t just the US that wanted Shokin gone, either — many other Western European officials, including the IMF’s then-managing director Christine Lagarde, also insisted Ukraine was doing far too little about corruption." https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ower-complaint
The tie between the loans and the Shokin ouster had been made long before Biden arrived arrived in Kiev to officially announce the loans only to find Shokin still in power. Biden simply said - and with Obama's authority:
“I said we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said ‘you can’t do that, you have no authority, you’re not the president,'” Biden remarked. “I said call [President Obama], I told you you’re not getting a billion dollars.”
What would have had Joe do in that situation? You'd prefer the United States be manipulated into frittering away 1 billion dollars?
None of that is relevant. The IMF can't tell Biden to do anything. Only Congress or the President could tell him what to do, and Biden said he made the decision on his own. The fact that others approved doesn't change this fact.
None of that is relevant. The IMF can't tell Biden to do anything. Only Congress or the President could tell him what to do, and Biden said he made the decision on his own. The fact that others approved doesn't change this fact.
No one is saying the IMF told Biden to do anything, only that the EU and IMF concurred with the US decision to remove Shokin. This can't be spun as Biden totally running the show with Obama barely paying attention.
The embassy first suggested linking the $1 billion in loan guarantees to firing Shokin. Not Biden.
When Poroshenko attempted to renege on the agreement, Biden referred him to Obama. Poroshenko and Shokin clearly understood Biden had no authority independent of Obama (‘you can’t do that, you have no authority, you’re not the president,').
Shokin's reference to US ("via Biden") means exactly what it says: The Biden refusal to turn over the $1 billion was a US-determination with Biden as messenger.
This is cut-and-dried compared to what passes for "evidence" these days. Accusations come easy. But then it's pretty easy to end up in the weeds when looking closer. RudyG & company depend on that.
Back to your contention. What precise decision did Biden make "on his own"? Any cites to support your view?
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Now Trump apparently is caught using the husband and wife legal (that is a kind word) team of Joe diGenova and Victoria Tensing who are also involved in this Ukraine blackmail scheme
Big conspiracy supporters and apparently working w/o any oversight of Trump’s aides, the DoS or DoJ to do Trump’s bidding...
Because almost no one knew they were doing this for Trump
Those people love to live on TV—and are about as ditzy as even Trump could hope for...
That's not a relevant quote. The only relevant quote would be from the appropriations bill stating that the loan guarantees were contingent on Ukraine firing that prosecutor. If it doesn't say that, then you can't distinguish what Biden did from what you're claiming Trump did.
So I assume you can point to the quote in the appropriations bill that allowed Trump to cancel aid to several S & C American countries for doing enough to curb the flow of immigrants from their country...
Well his was done in the open—unlike Trump’s...
With government approval and knowledge—unlike Trump’s...
And it wasn’t put on a secure server when he was done—unlike Trump’s...
And there was no whistleblower complaint—-unlike Trump’s...
Biden’s actions were not done in the dark for personal benefit—unlike Trump’s....
So I assume you can point to the quote in the appropriations bill that allowed Trump to cancel aid to several S & C American countries for doing enough to curb the flow of immigrants from their country...
Why would you presume that?
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