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Why are they there in the first place? 50-100 US soldiers aren't going to stop a Turkish army. All that happens with them being there is that they are sacrificed as pawns between different groups of Islamic murderers. Bring them home, as well as the rest of the US servicemen and women in the ME. Let them work out their own problems-or kill each other off. Whichever, it's not our responsibility, and for damn sure not worth American lives. Any more than the people of Afghanistan are. Our people should have been brought home 15 years ago, not left to sacrifice their lives.
That's not it. The Pentagon brokered an agreement for the Kurds to pull back from the border - and remove their defense installations . The 50-100 US troops along along with the Turks were then patrolling that zone. The idea was to assuage Turkey's concerns about PKK cross-border movement. Two weeks ago the Kurds removed the defense line (at least in places). Then Trump pulled the plug on the accompanying US guarantee to patrol the now open zone. And announced Turkish troops would be crossing the border.
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So we're supposed to let a foreign nation dictate American policy?
Under the Constitution, the President has wide powers to conduct foreign affairs. Last time around (a year ago), McConnell threatened to have the Senate pass a letter of censure if Trump did not back down. Trump did. Can't fault the Kurds for trying again.
More proof that lefties don't care about the substance of our foreign policy (or any policy for that matter). They only care WHO created the policy, so they know whether they are supposed to support it or not. If Hillary were president, and she did the same thing, everyone knows lefties would be celebrating. Of course, she would be escalating out military involvement (and blunders) in the region, as she is a foreign policy hawk. Either way, lefties would accept whatever decision she made, simply because of who she is.
More proof that lefties don't care about the substance of our foreign policy (or any policy for that matter). They only care WHO created the policy, so they know whether they are supposed to support it or not. If Hillary were president, and she did the same thing, everyone knows lefties would be celebrating. Of course, she would be escalating out military involvement (and blunders) in the region, as she is a foreign policy hawk. Either way, lefties would accept whatever decision she made, simply because of who she is.
Not so fast. You're right that many in blind support don't delve deeply into the details of policies proposed by their 'team.' Not all have the time or inclination.
Mattis' resignation over Trump's proposed troop removal last year caught my attention. Not that Mattis' aims were necessarily spot-on. Clinton, for example, was too much of a foreign policy hawk (Ukraine - Syria).
This is one issue where you probably find 'lefties' and 'righties' and 'libertarians' split.
But al-Qaida and ISIS are in many more places today than they were when we intervened in the Middle East. Must we fight forever over there — to be secure over here? Why cannot Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States deal with ISIS and al-Qaida in their own backyard?
All you Trumpers have is this pathetic deflection.
I guess Trumpers will cheer Turkey after they slaughter the Kurds and release Isis killers. You will all say that this was part of Trump's brilliant strategy.
When ISIS becomes more powerful than they have in the past i'm sure trump and his lemmings will find some one to blame it on.
Trump has greenlighted Turkey to wipe out the Kurds in Northern Syria. Kurds have been our steadfast allies in the war against Isis.
Trump has no loyalty to anyone. He is the ultimate turncoat.
Only a fool trusts Donald Trump.
Of course, Trump does seems to have a special love for dictators like Erdogan.
It's terrible, both for Kurds and also for our reputation. But didn't Bush do essentially the same thing? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Bush urged the Kurds to rise up against Saddam Hussein - but then failed to support them and hung them out to dry. I mean, hung them out to die.
It's terrible, both for Kurds and also for our reputation. But didn't Bush do essentially the same thing? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Bush urged the Kurds to rise up against Saddam Hussein - but then failed to support them and hung them out to dry. I mean, hung them out to die.
No, they perceived as such, but reality was the US had no intention of weakening Iraq as Iran was still viewed as the predominate threat in the region, and the US desired Iraq to still be able to be a counter to Iran. To have a Shiite and Kurd rebellion, both being friendly to Iran, topple Saddam was viewed as detrimental to US policy in the area.
The US also assisted Iraq in targeting Kurdish areas with chemical weapons when they rose up to join Iran during the Iran-Iraq War.
As for the current conflict, I am not understanding how anyone views we have some sort of cooperation with the Kurds for anything past the ISIS. If the Kurds viewed it that way, that is their fault for doing so.
Both want the US out of the region. Once the US pulls out, Putin will stop Turkey and assert control over the entire region together with Iran. In fact, with Trump abandoning allies and embracing enemies, Putin will likely make a bold move against Turkey knowing that the US is not about to defend that country NATO or not. With the US and NATO exposed as a fraud, Putin will take back all of eastern Europe and rebuild the Soviet Empire.
Sure. After that is all done and Putin has rebuild the Soviet Empire he will take over the world.
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